Putin’s last annual press conference

Some articles on the post’s topic:

http://www.russiaprofile.org/page.php?pageid=Politics&articleid=a1203020396

http://www.russiaprofile.org/page.php?pageid=Politics&articleid=a1202995990

Which leader (or leaders) from another “major” (France, UK, US, China, Germany, Japan) country (or countries) does (or do) a better job than Putin, when it comes to having a responsive attitude with the media?

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“I will yet again emphasize that we consider that unilateral support for independence for Kosovo is immoral and illegal.”

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Agree.

Thanks for the feedback.

US press conferences involving the president and other American government organs are known for being rather managed at times.

Amy Goodman established a reputation as the pain in the ass outside the mainstream journalist, who asked the questions others wouldn’t dare raise. If I’m not mistaken, this has led to her being taken off some gatherings.

Also, note Bush being caught off the record calling a NYT reporter an asshole for the reason of that journalist being perceived as a staunch critic.

Regarding the recent press conference: in fairness to Putin, he wasn’t the one who raised Hillary Clinton’s not so flatering comment about him. A number of Americans felt he gave an appropriate reply to her unkind remark about him. I thought Putin handled the Polish journalists’s questions relatively well.

The contemporary Russian political system iz what it iz (some NY lingo). It appears an improvement from the last decade and isn’t etched in stone. United Russia shows signs of becoming a more openly diverse thinking party. Other Russian political movements exist, albeit problematically. Non-Democrats/non-Republicans have similar problems in the US.

Russian government funded English language media/public relations projects will hopefully improve over time. Mainstream Russian views have some valid points, which should ideally exist with as great an intelligent presence as possible. This includes understanding the opposite spin and how to best approach it.

“Putin is a soldier, no doubt, and he acts and sounds like one. He’s only a few steps from the lads we see pyani at Park Pobyedi in summertime.”

If I recall correctly, Putin has never been a “soldier”. As a matter of fact, when Putin was a student at Leningrad University in the early 70s(Law) he was enrolled in the “faculty of military matters”. This saved him from being drafted and having to serve in the forces. What he was obliged to do was to participate in the “reserve officers trainig course” at university and later was “awarded” the rank of a lieutenant (reserves). [Source: Vladimir Putin – A biography, by Alexander Rahr]

“Pyani” ? Like ?????, as a result of a ?????? ?

Well, according to Alexander Rahr’s authorised Putin biography, Putin was very fond of drinking German beer while being assigned to the KGB’s office in Dresden / Germany. The local KGB agents had their favourite pub there, called “Am Thor”, where Putin regularly downed quite a few beers. He was only seen drinking Vodka on special occasions, to the disliking of the waiter he brought his own bottle. Until today, the pub has “Putin’s Corner”, the corner where Putin used to sit.

Putin himself admits having drunk about 4 liters of beer per week back then. His East German counterparts of the vaunted STASI considered Putin being “a rather unusual Russian” for drinking much less than the other KGB agents, and for regularly seeing him pour his Vodka into a flowerpot during the “official parties” the STASI arranged for their friends (KGB).

So I don’t really think that Putin will end up being one of the veterans sitting in ???? ?????? in the near future.

As previously noted, the post-Soviet score of attacking other countries is: USA 2 – Russia 0

Regarding Russian political parties, reference the earlier mentioned RTTV coverage of the last Duma vote. Lavelle made note of Russian parties requiring a certain number of signatures.

In the US, the Repub.-Dem. dominance is often explained in terms of many Americans not willing to go far in opposing that status quo. This despite many of them not limking it.

People the world over have similarities. Differences do exist. It’s important to properly understand them. A not so easy precise task, since it’s a soft science, open to opinion.

Chechnya isn’t a country. Fact. Russia had ample reason to take military action in that Russian republic. This doesn’t excuse the way the two post Soviet wars in Chechnya were conducted.

Pardon the digression:

“You can’t necessarily trust a Russian, but you can always trust a Russian to be a Russian.”

How would the above quoted be treated if read as:

“You can’t necessarily trust a Jew, but you can always trust a Jew to be a Russian.”

and-or:

“You can’t necessarily trust a Black, but you can always trust a Black to be a Black.”

Selective Sensitivity 101

From top to bottom:

“As previously noted, the post-Soviet score of attacking other countries is: USA 2 – Russia 0”

CORRECT

On Chechnya, Dudyaev made reasonably clear what he was and wasn’t willing to do. During his rule, the lawlessness in Chechnya increased. Countries have a right to combat such turmoil. As for the use of the word “geoncide”, in recent history, can the Americans and Israelis be accused of doing the same? I’m looking for an even application of the term. Regarding Chechnya, Russia wasn’t looking to wipe out Chechen identity and it’s not balanced to gloss over the clear wrongs of the Dudayev and Maskhasdov regimes.

One should be careful when making collective impressions of different peoples, since it isn’t 100%. Having said that, among Russians and Germans, there seems to be a good consensus in terms of recognizing that there’s a good deal of dreck to be found all over.

BTW, my father’s mother’s side are Baltic-German Jews, Vilnius via East Prussia (Danzig, now Gdansk Poland). They were very assimilated into Prussian culture. My father’s father’s side are Russian Orthodox Christians from St. Pete. My grandfather married my grandmother in clear contradiction of the kind of stereotypes generally presented.

“As previously noted, the post-Soviet score of attacking other countries is: USA 2 – Russia 0?

True, but the post-Soviet score of attacking one’s own country = USA 0 – 1 Russia.

A clear victory 😉

😉

Mike, I’m not looking for comparisons, which you use all the time. I’m taking about an amazingly vicious war against not only Chechen rebels, but Chechen AND Russian civilians. Dudaeyev wanted negtiotions with Yeltsin; as an elected leader of a Russian republic, he was entitled to that. And I dont know why you’re parroting that 2-0 stat again. Its the same for internal Russian conflict so overall that makes it Russia-2 USA-2. The Yanks werent dumb enough not to murder their own people – and MURDER is exactly what the Russians did in Chechnya. But you the Russophile excuse that.Good man yourself. As well as the Serbs. You’ve got quite a gig going there for yourself. Mind you looking at RT I think you might be an improvement.

”Nations have certain rights when it comes to policing its own internal situations.”
This comment would be funny if the subject wasnt so serious. Can you imagine London levelling Newcastle-Upon-Tyne with fighter bombers because of rowdy Geordies? Or Dublin blowing away Cork cos the people there are a pain in the arse? Good grief! Note to Mike: Those little model MiGs and Sukhois, they look cute, dont they? Well, guess what, the grown up ones KILL REAL PEOPLE!

”Actually they call it “The Great Patriotic War”.” I never said they didnt. What I said was they refer to the German invaders as Facists, not Germans. But I agree entirely with what you said – in fact many of our own citizens here are stuck in an anti-Brit past, though it is diminishing. It simply amazes me how positive towards the Germans the Russians are, considering all that happened. In fact I would think that Russia’s best friend in the West is probably Germany.

”BTW, my father’s mother’s side are Baltic-German Jews, Vilnius via East Prussia (Danzig, now Gdansk Poland). They were very assimilated into Prussian culture. My father’s father’s side are Russian Orthodox Christians from St. Pete. My grandfather married my grandmother in clear contradiction of the kind of stereotypes generally presented.”

So are you Jewish or Orthodox, if that isnt a rude question(genuinely excuse me if it is). Why do you feel such a strong attachment to Russia, when you’re made in the USA? Attachment to countries abroad is something I’ve never understood in Americans, possibly cos I’m total Paddy.

On the subject of gross biases:

Re: “Peace in our time.”

While not being similar in some aspects: a possible 1938 like scenario is at play, involving the same countries willing to violate the territory of a nation.

What happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938, played a role in what was to occur in Poland a year later.

Likewise, the granting of an independent Kosovo serves to enhance existing problems.

The main problem being the hypocritical standards some use to determine which territory does and doesn’t achieve independence.

The Absurdity of “Independent” Kosovo
http://www.counterpunch.org/szamuely02152008.html

Earlier article on the same subject:

Debunking the pro-Kosovo Independence Claims
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/52219

“It simply amazes me how positive towards the Germans the Russians are, considering all that happened.”

I think it’s not amazing at all. *What is happening today* and *what we would like to happen in the future* is definitely more important than *all that happened in the past*.

“In fact I would think that Russia’s best friend in the West is probably Germany.”

From my point of view this assessment is entirely correct.

Things are going great, and they’re only getting better. The future’s so bright, we gotta wear shades 🙂

Using the troll’s own selectively applied “logic” (in prior posts of his), he’s in no legitimate position to critique me; due to his not having achieved anything of great significance.

In an earlier post, he tried to belittle my accomplishments with the lie that 99% of my work is on blogs. 100% of his “work” (trolling) is done on blogs.

Like a slime ball coward, he engages in a troll patrol pack of out and out personal attacks having nothing to do with the actual subject matter.

So much for losers like him.

As this thread shows, you did nothing of the sort.

I’m talking about former Communist bloc topics. On a number of them, you’re quite ignorant.

What you bring up doesn’t relate to the topics I comment on.

To use a troll tactic of yours: prove it! (not that I really care)

Link your purported great works, while noting that they don’t relate to the topics I discuss.

”What you bring up doesn’t relate to the topics I comment on. ”

Certainly. What I do is far too grounded in empirical reality for you.

A correction:

http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2006/nd/663-healy.html

Wuhpty do! I’ve had more former Communist bloc material picked up at numerous venues, dealing directly with such matter.

The troll’s above linked work has NOTHING to do with such matter; thereby firmly substantiating what I’ve said about him.

Let me add that unlike the troll, I don’t make a habit of stating idiotic comments on subject matter I know little about.

Mike, with respect, one scientific paper, double-blind peer reviewed, is worth far more than a ton of half-arsed articles picked up by blogs and newswires. And you were likely paid a very small fee for the tiny minority of those that made it to Reuters -I did mine pro-bono,as my research was extra on top of normal work. Again I ask you, have you ever been published in a peer-reviewed journal, eg an academic publication? And dont give me that crap about PhDs -its like your rubbish about not speaking Russian. And calm down that ranting tone – your dumb-ass pass degree isnt fooling anyone, no matter how loud you roar.
Go get your PhD Mike, during which process you’ll have to have been published in an academic journal. Articles is crank blogs and the odd trip to Reuters wont get you that job, but a PhD will. You seem to have so much time on your hands -why dont you apply for research funding? I bet Sean Guillory has plenty of papers published.

So, in academic published works the score is:
Ger Clancy 1, Mike Averko 0.

Unlike you, I dont pretend to be Linus Pauling.

”Let me add that unlike the troll, I don’t make a habit of stating idiotic comments on subject matter I know little about.”

Again, this from the man who doesnt know what an aul is or when Chechen war 1 started. Yet he claims expertise on it, when he doesnt even have PUNTER standard expertise, never mind pundit level.

Again, it begs the question – please validate your expertise with some academic background – have you ever been published in a double-blind, peer-reviewed academic journal, in your chosen field of the FSU?

” can just see this idiot in a court of law being asked a case related question, having NOTHING to do with his stated academic background.”

As a matter of fact, I’ve had to appear as a witness many times in court, as I’ve done the confirmatory analytical work on around 400 positive cases. We’ve never lost a case.

Andy:

This link cites Putin in quotes mentioning Pridnestrovie during that press conference:

http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/02/shame-on-europeans.html

The good chunk of the conference I saw didn’t include that particular segment.

As for what he said, I’ve to respectfully disagree with the all or nothing approach on granting independence. For the most part, new nations are created out of parts of existng ones. Each disputed territory should be individually reviewed with historical and human rights circumstances given top priority.

Yo Sh!-h–d (an honestly frank way of putting it):

Like CD, you don’t display a particularly great aptitude for judging good prose. Over the course of time, you’ve sent numerous emails to me, with all of them going in the junk box for the plausibly stated reasons. The lone exception being your very first set. After which, it became clear that you’re a crank.

In point of fact, a good number on my list reply positively, with few requesting off. Someone employed by the most major of world media networks just sent me a thank you note. Those kind of replies are far more noteworthy than your troll like outbursts. My lists are compiled and sent out no different than others like the Action Ukraine Report and the once active Untimely Thoughts.

In your most recent troll of a post, you fail to detail how Limonov proves the point you said he made.

On your obsession with the Phd: if you’re one and I’m not (the latter I can vouch for), than my earlier point is proven. There’re many successful non-Phd media, political and other figures, who are considered more worthy than some of those folks with a Phd. If I’m not mistaken: unlike yours truly, you don’t have any degree in a field directly related to former Communist bloc studies.

You’ve no idea how much I make doing any number of things including journalism. It’s also none of your business. In a comparison of accomplishments, inclusive of your manner here, you’re in no sound position to judge me. Unlike myself, you’re the one who has lied.

Your last set of comments about Kosovo reveals an LR like anti-Russian/anti-Serb twerp side to your persona.

Besides Russia and Serbia, others like Spain, Cyprus as well as Bolton, Eagleburger, Rodman and Wedgwood have expressed well founded opposition to the declared independence, which many will not recognize.

Spamboy,

stop spamming people, man!

”What you do here and elsewhere falls in the pure horse shit category.”
Again, I’ve been in charge pf an Irish governemt lab, published scientifically and have lectured. What have you done apart from crank articles?
Again, how many academic articles have you published in peer-reviewed journals? None. So why do you think you’re better than PL? There’s no evidence that you are -in fact the opposite.
If you live so well, why are you ashamed to tell me what your job is?

I’m delighted for Kosovo. Serbia have only themselves to blame. They gave up their right to govern Kosova when they commited ethnic cleansing there. Vyu ponimaetye?

Hey hayate(Roobit)! How’s Timely Thoughts going? Technicheskii perevod, da?:-)

”The Russians have a term for creatures like that:

????? ????????

Unfortunately these creatures exist in all countries….”

Funny, the Irish have a phrase that describes your ilk

smearachan ruseach

Means ”a miserable Russian bastard”
🙂

Without science, you would have no pc in front of you, no electricity and would likely be living in a cave.(though parts of St Petersburg are not much better, in fairness)
I’m not entirely sure what Russocentric punditry has done for greater civilisation, but not a whole lot I daresay.

So Mike, care to tell what you do for a living?

”Your last set of comments about Kosovo reveals an LR like anti-Russian/anti-Serb twerp side to your persona.”

I’m just saying what I saw on tv. I know its a sad day for Serb-lovers like yourself, but Mike in all fairness Serbia were very naughty in 1999 and have deservedly lost the right to govern there – how you cant see that I simply dont understand. And no, criticising Russia and Serbia does not make me a Russophobe. As a matter of fact I was at a huge Russian party here at home the other night, and am still the worse for wear from it.

Not sure what venue those hyperlinks are from as I choose to not open it. I like SL for its editorial consistency. Much unlike another venue that degenerated into a sewer – care in part to an overly partisan moderator/host.

“Hayate” makes some good points. Try sticking to the topic, instead of diverting attention away to another unrelated field, as well as making troll like comments; having nothing or next to nothing to do with the involved subject matter.

Derek Jeter is a superior baseball player to your claim of scientist. Derek Jeter doesn’t come close to matching my knowledge and analytical abilities on the subjects I discuss.

The same is true of some of those involved with former Communist bloc studies. It’s impossible to be expert on everything.

Regarding Kosovo, here’s what a Phd wrote:

Kosovo or how Russia will be the loser…
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/50364

Versus:

Debunking the pro-Kosovo Independence Claims
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/52219

I earnestly believe the latter to be the more scientifically applied and reasonable.

Your partying with Russians doesn’t negate what you’ve said about Russians and Serbs. Views which contradict a good many of them, who follow the mentioned issues.

You now say that you were repeating what you saw on TV. A look back indicates you saw and made an editorial comment. As for “naughty”, fighting terrorists can get naughty because of the nature of the adversary, stooping one to get low at their level. When compared to some other actions involving Anglo-Americans, Russians, Turks and Israelis, the Serbs weren’t so out of line for doing what they did in Kosovo. Much of it was either proven to be untrue or never established.

See:

The Absurdity of “Independent” Kosovo http://www.counterpunch.org/szamuely02152008.html

Some recent posts on the last mentioned matter:

http://www.transdniestria.co.uk/

Not sure what link I posted actually. And hayate I’ve met before. He’s living on the outskirts of Petes. But anyway, the thrust of what I heard on tv is thst, politics aside, Kosovo is simply unable to function alone as a country, has virtually no economy and no proper functioning institutions to run a country. But what has to be noticed were the celebrations – people seemed genuinely happy on the streets, and maybe this day was due.
What you’re saying about 1999 Mike goes against what every western media organ depicted; and accusing them all of anti-Serb bias I think is simply groundless. And Russia can make as much noise as it wants – it cant do a thing about it. And if our foreign minister, Dermot Ahern, as bright and as fair a guy as one could meet, says it should be independent, then I believe him, We have a lot of troops in there and I’m sure he’s very knowledgeable of the situation.

Kosovo: A New Day of Infamy for a New Century http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=515

Iraq and the Kosovo Connection http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12378

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As for the earlier remark about seeing many happy Albanians: there were many happy Germans in the 1930s.

”On the last point, you aren’t. Moreover, there’re other knowledgeable people who think differently than him.”

Yes, I’m sure there are plenty of Serb nationalists out there who disagree with him, at places like byzantinesacredartblog.com, etc. Meanwhile our troops are there, he’s got plenty of intelliegence info from on the ground, and I’m sure that he’s very well versed on the whole thing. Well, looks like its done now. Can you explain the following discrepancy:

Chechnya pre 1999 – majority want (full)independence – Mike Averko says NO.

Kosovo 2008 – majority want independence – Mike Averko says NO.

PMR 2008 – majority (allegedly) want independence – Mike Averko says YES.

Therefore = Slavs = OK, Others = NOT OK.

Could you possibly explain your reasoning, without recourse to any historical precedents please(especially considering that the PMR ON ITS OWN has no historical precedent), and base it soley on logic? And please answer directly the question. No tangents. Tangents = not relevant.

Simply put, the troll caters to anti-Slavic Orthodox Christian views, while professing not to be against them.

Your idiotic comments were logically debunked. Only deceit and-or sheer stupidity could over look this fact.

You’re one lying miserable piece of $__t.

Kosovo was part of ancient Serbia and has been with Serbia since 1912. It was never an independent entity, or part of an independent Albanian state.

Pridnestrovie was part of ancient Russia (Kievan Rus), the Russian Empire and USSR. It was never part of an independent Moldova. By force, Moldova only became part of the USSR in 1940. After which, the autonomous Pridnestrovie region was arbitrarily put into the Communist created Moldavian SSR. As previously mentioned, the human rights situation in Pridnestrovie is far better than what one finds in Kosovo.

It’s a matter of fact that you’ve spoken negatively of Prodnestrovie, while showing sympathy for Kosovo independence.

You’re a slimey little cyber punk, who has yet to formally contribute anything of noticeable substance.

In comparison, I’ve done well for myself. Your ongoing half truths and lies can’t change that reality.

The Byzabntine Sacred Art Blog is a nice offset to sites like Grerater Surbiton and the Srebrenica Genocide Blog.

”You’re a slimey little cyber punk, who has yet to formally contribute anything of noticeable substance”

So your flacking for Fr Johnson’s anti-semitic blog wasnt slimey?) Shame on you Mike.

Of related note, a pro-Israeli cyber activist of many years isn’t accusing me of being what the troll has suggestively stated:

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@987.DEjKa2X8CGy@.77480649/9011

Upset Mike? Well, you shouldnt accuse others of being ”anti” any religion, especially when you’ve appeared at and propped an anti-semitic website, as well as calling the man running it ”a great scholar”. I’m not anti-Serb or Russian at all – unlike you, I can see thru their bullshit. How could you see through it though? You’ve probably never been further from home than Staten Island or Manhattan.

Mike, you referred to me as anti-Serb/anti Russian/anti Russian Orthodox Church. Dish out such statements, then expect a reply. You appearing at anti-semitic blog and calling Fr Johnson a great scholar is a matter of record.

”Apparently I hit a sore spot of the troll and it’s one of the gut freakshow.”

Ah, no, Roobit. You think you hit a spot. No quite. But as long as you think so, thats the main thing:-) Speaking of freakshows, how’s Timely Thoughts? I know I dont like to start my day without a dose of your wisdom. I would have thought Mike could produce enough articles for you, but I guess he has enough crank contracts with byzantine sacred art, Serbianna and the TTT. He probably has too much to do producing rubbish for them instead. By the way, isnt it getting late in St Petes. Dont you have your baked-potato job to get up for in the morning?

”I found ignoring them leaves them hanging out there, looking like a nicked cottager in a park loo, which in is probably….”

I have no idea what this gibberish means. Which is probably a good thing. Your big problem Roobit is you’ve no Moscow registration. I know it hurts, being a provincial. Get over it. Next time I’m in Moscow I’ll let you stay a weekend and take you to McDonalds.

My formal commentary (articles) typically refrain from a word like scumbag. In this instance, the usage is quite appropriate, given how the fraud in question has carried on at some other venues besides this one.

I’d like to withdraw my remarks above insinuating that Mike Averko is anti-semitic. Though in response to a comment calling me anti-ROC, they were still out of order.

For clarity sake: it’s possible to be a Jew and non-Zionist, or a non-Jew and Zionist. I find the usage of Zionist to be at times a bit on the polemical side.

The attempt to defame me previously failed because of its sheer fallacy:

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@85.wWIfayG2Cbw@.77480649/7538

As for an “apology” just mailed to me as a subject text – uh ah! There has been a string of mis-informative venom launched against me. I’m earnestly addressing the many half truths and fallacies out there. It’ll take more than just a simple apology.

The gall to slur venues like TTT and Serbianna, as some other more established sources have done some un-cool things over the course of time. TTT and Serbianna are far from perfect. Ditto the BBC, NYT and yes JRL; the latter of which has been given a good deal of carte blanche for all the wrong reasons.

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“when he’s Irish and a scumbag (the two don’t necessarily always go hand in hand)?”

“Is there an apology forthcoming for that outrageous racist remark?”

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No, because I make clear that the two don’t necessarily go hand in hand,
rather than suggestively stating differently.

For clarity sake, I’ll add that scumbags are evident among all groups, including Russians and Serbs.

I hsven’t been the one launching troll attacks at this and other venues. I’m therefore reluctant to suddenly assume that such manner will stop by the party that has been a main instigator of this behavior.

Second submission. Pardon if duplicate.

How you’ve chosen to carry on over the course of time isn’t “adult”.

It’s a bit naive, if not childish, to suddenly think such manner dissipates with a simple apology.

In point of fact, you’ve taken positions that are clearly anti-Serb and anti-Russian; as in going against the views of most Russians and Serbs, who follow the discussed issues.

You’re by no means the only one.

I stopped exchanging emails with you awhile back when it became clear that you’re a crank. Private emails are ideally kept private.

I’ve my share of private emails from people who you know, who say some interesting (put mildly) things. On the personal side, I make it a point to keep such exchanges confidential, because to do differently sets off an automatic red flag for others.

I didn’t violate any confidentiality in that I didn’t specify where the email in question was from and the stated content was what was posted at this thread. I didn’t open that email. I just saw the subject text.

Second submission. Pardon if duplicated.

Not at all and I didn’t violate any personal confidentiality.

You’ve a track record of trolling, inclusive of “apologies”.

I can honestly say that I don’t carry on in such a manner.

I refer you to this article in Wikipedia, which cites, amoung others, the New York Times and the BBC(both news organs you mention favourably in relations to your own appearances there)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C4%8Dak_incident

At one point in the article, even RUSSIA is accusing Serbia of massacre:
”On January 29, the Contact Group of countries with an interest in Yugoslavia (Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Russia and the United States) issued a joint statement deploring “the massacre of Kosovo Albanians at Ra?ak which resulted in several thousand people fleeing their homes””

No, you may not want to accept this, but Serbia quite clearly massacred in Kosovo, and in my view (and that of France, UK, USA, and even little Ireland, who has troops there) Serbia has lots its right to rule, and quite correctly so. Denying that Srebrenica, The Siege of Sarajevo and Kosovo 1998-99 happened doesnt mean that its true. Serbia was the lead nation in the Balkans and its behaviour as such has been a disgrace. Also no less than Voijuslav Kostinica has conceded that genocide occured there. Russia’s biggest problem are not the unresloved countries, its that she has a bloody nose since sunday and Russia cannot bear that. Putin could not care less what happens to Serbia. Bear in mind this is the same Russia, who along with China, has prevented UN security council resolutions to deal with Burma. It is hardly a bastion of fair-mindedness.

I have no doubt that both sides were at it in 1999, but it does not excuse Serbia, the parent nation, from its obligations. Serbia has, since time began practically, had ideas well above its station for such a little, insignificant country. It is high time the Serbs realised what they are – a small country no more important than Portugal or Iceland or Bulgaria or even Ireland for that matter. If the Serbs had concentrated on getting their economic act together since 1993 like Slovenia has, maybe now they’d be an EU nation istead of an international pariah.

The BBC and NYT have their fault lines, regardless of my appearances there. In recent history, the Turks, Russians, Americans and Israelis have committed “massacres” as well.

If I’m not mistaken, Racak was far less a massacre than Jenin and some other instances elsewhere not involving Serbs. If you review that incident more closely, there’s evidence indicating a tampered presentation in the form of bodies likely taken elsewhere and compiled in one spot. Also at issue is how they were killed.

Albanian nationalist terrorism against non-Albanians in Kosovo is real and to ignore it smacks of a very clear anti-Serb bias. UNSC 1244 contradicts the fraudulent claim that Serbia lost its right to Kosovo. Moreover, post 1999 NATO bombing Serbia minus Kosovo is far more democratic and multi-ethically tolerant than the repackaged KLA gang in Kosovo.

In conjunction to what you say of Serbia, your comments about Russia are indicative of a heavy anti-Russian/anti-Serb bias. Spain, Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria and a number of other countries reject the faulty Kosovo independence claim.

Srebrenica and Sarajevo involve Bosnia and not Kosovo. Those two areas in Bosnia saw much carnage on the part of pro-Izetbegovic forces. To deny this, is absurd.

Terms like “little insignificant little country” are quite revealing of how bullies selectively treat others.

Regarding your point about Slovenia having a higher standard of living than Serbia as a suggested justification of better morality: Serbia minus Kosovo is economically much better off, more multi-ethnically tolerant and democratic than the repackaged KLA group in Kosovo.

This correspondence was recently forwarded to me:

108 Bodies found in 1999 season of forensic investigation by the Spanish team
420 Albanians (mostly Serbian state employees, i.e. “loyalists”) killed since Kfor/KLA occupation began (Kfor figure June 99 through March 00)

1041 Non-Albanians killed since Kfor/KLA occupation began (number cited in http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgneur02004.html)*

680 Bodies found in 2000 season of forensic investigation

4,249 Total Victims

2.67% deduct percentage applied to deaths from natural causes (from Spanish team’s data)

4,135 Sub-Total Died as result of War

4,025 Sub-Total excluding Yugoslav soldiers

875 less estimated KLA deaths ( high figure is 1,500 low figure is 250)

3,150 Sub-Total Non-Combatants

2,467 Killed by NATO/KLA (breakdown below)

22 Klecka KLA possibly under Agim Ceku (cited as part of 2000 investigation in http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgneur02004.html)*

34 Glodjane KLA possibly under Ramush (cited as part of 2000 investigation in http://www.sunday- times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgneur02004.html)*

50 Orahovac (cited as part of 2000 investigation in http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgneur02004.html)*

68 Markovac KLA under Commander Remi ( cited as part of Remi’s forced expulsion of 160,000 civilians on BBC program and in J. Steele Guardian article July 1999)

97 Istok ( Died as a result of 3 days of NATO bombing, Spanish Interview )

39 Kacanik (Albanian loyalists killed by 162nd UCK brigade in mid March; before bombing)

45 Kotlina (Albanian loyalists killed by 162nd UCK brigade before bombing)

70 Velika Kusa ( out of 74 found )

30 Djakovica ( loyalist town, heavily bombed by NATO under KLA direction)

10 Ljubenic ( mixed Albanian-Roma loyalist village)

30 Pec ( out of 65 found, 15 before bombing, mostly wealthly anti-UCK killed, possibly under Ramush’es or Drini’s orders)

7 Kosovo Polje ( mixed population loyalist town)

20 Pec bus (Albanians killed by NATO bombs at crossroad)

75 Bedded down for the night

84 Korisa Convoy

5 Pristina (T. Watson witnessed a number of Albanians killed by bombs)

140 Dragoban Cemetery (Non-Albanian)

166 Dragoban Cemetery (Albanians)

4 Rugova (4 hijacked by UCK, 20 additional UCK fighters KIA’d when KLA dropped grenade in hijacked van)

4 Decani (4 members of loyalist militia)

5 Gologovac (killed by UCK in Jan/Feb)

1 Suad Qorraj (allegedly by Ramush in June 1999; cf Sunday Observer, Sept 10, 2000, by Nick Wood “US ‘covered up’ for Kosovo Ally” )

420 Albanians killed since Kfor/KLA occupation began (Kfor number June 99 through March 00; 400 murdered)

1041 Non-Albanians killed since Kfor/KLA occupation began (number cited in http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgneur02004.html)*

683 Sub-Total Potential victims of Yugoslav or NATO/KLA forces

78% Percent of Non-Combatants killed by NATO/KLA action

22% Percent of Non-Combatants killed either by NATO/KLA or by Yugoslav forces

SOURCE: http://www.decani.yunet.com/victims.html

* http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgneur02004.html has been removed from the Sunday Times website. The same article may be viewed at: http://www.balkanpeace.org/hed/archive/sept00/hed545.shtml

We are also making the entire text of the article available below.

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THE SUNDAY TIMES (UK), Sunday, September 3, 2000 EUROPE
KLA faces trials for war crimes on Serbs

Inquiry turns on Albanians

Tom Walker, Diplomatic Correspondent

INTERNATIONAL war crimes investigators are for the first time focusing on atrocities against Serbian civilians that were committed by the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA).

Sources close to prosecutors in the Hague confirmed last week that its forensic experts were checking five sites where war crimes were allegedly carried out by members of the KLA. Their findings could lead to a request to Nato’s Kfor troops to arrest several senior figures in the new Kosovo Albanian elite, including possibly Hashim Thaci, the KLA’s former political leader, or Ramush Haridinaj, one of his main political rivals.

United Nations sources have already revealed that Agim Ceku, the guerrillas’ former commander, may be the subject of a secret “sealed” indictment for his activities while fighting for the Croatian army against the Serbs. Like Thaci and Haridinaj, Ceku, who now heads the Kosovo Protection Corps, the local defence force, has denied wrong-doing.

The investigation could radically alter the international perception of the conflict, in which Albanians were seen as the largely innocent victims of Serbian aggression. After a year of growing concern about hundreds of revenge killings of Serbs by Albanians in the province, there are signs that the public relations pendulum may begin to swing the Serbs’ way.

The investigations by the International War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia are among its most secretive, with officials fearing retaliation by the Albanians. “The operations of the KLA clearly involved many activities we should scrutinise,” said one Hague official.

“There’s a real problem in unravelling their cell structure, but we may well end up pointing the finger at senior figures. The difficulty then will be persuading any Nato nation to arrest them.”

All five sites were discovered by the Serbian police as they regained territory lost to the KLA in the summer of 1998. As Albanian villages were being destroyed in the Serbian police offensives that grabbed the international media spotlight, the plight of the rural Serbian peasantry was often ignored and dozens of villagers and farmers were abducted, tortured and left in mass graves.

Three of the areas under investigation are thought to be the villages of Klecka and Glodjane and the town of Orahovac.

The killings in Klecka have been linked to Thaci, who now heads the Democratic party of Kosovo. The Belgrade media made great play of the discovery in August 1998 of what it claimed were 22 Serbian bodies in a lime kiln in Klecka.

Glodjane, further west in the Decane area bordering Albania, was fiercely contested by the Serbs and Albanians. In September 1998 the Serbian media centre in Pristina claimed that the bodies of 34 people had been found in a canal there. They were a mixture of Serbian farmers, some gypsies and Albanians suspected of being collaborators. The local commander at the time was Haradinaj, now head of the Alliance for the Future of Kosovo.

In Orahovac, an ancient Balkan maze of cobbled streets and mixed ethnicities, at least 50 Serbs were abducted by the KLA in July 1998, never to be seen again. In the autumn hundreds of angry Serbs marched six miles through the hills to Dragobilj, the local KLA headquarters and one of the few places where Islamic mujaheddin fighters were seen. The protest failed to persuade the KLA to give any details of the missing Serbs.

Most inquiries made so far have been met with silence and few witnesses are thought likely to be brave enough to reveal the brutality of the KLA.

One former Albanian commander, who now lives in the West, told The Sunday Times that he saw two Serbian policemen tied to the backs of Jeeps and dragged to their deaths during the fighting around Glodjane. He said he had no intention of talking to the war crimes prosecutors and wished to forget Kosovo altogether.

The Serbs, too, are unlikely to co-operate with the Hague because Belgrade refuses to recognise the tribunal. Milosevic and Milan Milutinovic, the Serbian president, are both indicted by the tribunal, and Milosevic is believed to have offered a bolthole to Radovan Karadzic, the most wanted suspect of the Bosnian conflict.

“We’re not permitted to make any interviews in Serbia proper and that is a considerable hindrance,” said Paul Risley, spokesman for Carla Del Ponte, the tribunal’s senior prosecutor.

It is also not clear whether investigations into the KLA’s activities can be extended into the period after Nato entered Kosovo in June 1999. Authorities in Belgrade claim there have been 1,041 murders in the province since then – with 910 of the victims being Serbs or Montenegrins. In the most recent attacks on Serbs, an eight-year-old child was killed by a hit-and-run driver near the town of Lipljan last month, and a hand grenade was lobbed into a basketball court injuring 10 children north of Pristina. A farmer aged 80 was machine-gunned to death in the nearby village of Crkvna Vodica while he was tending his cattle.

The claims of genocide being made by the Albanians at Belgrade two years ago are now being thrown back at them, but the war crimes tribunal remains dispassionate. “We’re not seeing genocide at the moment, but severe human rights violations. There is no evidence that any group wants to annihilate the Serbs rather than just force them out,” said an official.

Kindly reply to the points raised in this artcile, which was recently posted at this thread:

http://counterpunch.com/johnstone02182008.html

Note that it was previously posted here. It agrees with the earlier issued article in the hyperlink at my name.

Slovenia is 90% Slovenian, with no border issues. BTW, that “civilized” country had much protest in discussing whether a mosque should be built in its capital where none exist.

Your point about Russia applies to the US, which should spend more time on its society and less on engaging in questionable foreign policy ventures.

Note that some relatively high profile Americans in Lawrence Eagleburger, John Bolton, Ruth Wedgwood, Peter Rodman and Pat Buchanan, among others are against Kosovo’s independence.

Socioeconomically, the Serbs have their act togther much better than the Kosovo Albanians.

Serbia never sanctioned or issued “genocide”. “Troublemaker” as in they would’ve won without foreign intervention against them. In point of fact, Serbia can’t be legitimtaely accused of starting the wars in former Yugo. Plenty of well documented blame to go all around.

Unlike yourself, I study this matter closely. It includes a full as possible accounting from all sides.

Milosevic’s Kosovo Polje address was butchered from what it actually said. A point noted in the linked Counterpunch article. He actually advocated the opposite of the butchered skewing of it.

You’re being way too judgmental in your delivery. A manner that many find offensive. You don’t know this because there has been a prevailing arrogance among a good many in the West.

This link leads to a recent Buchanan article:

http://www.antiwar.com

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org

Alright Mike, fair enough. I’ve read the piece, am suprised, and am thinking again about my views. Maybe the Serbs have been wronged.

I had a long comment in reply to the above, but its obviously the work of a sockpuppet, the IP of which I know. Pity really.

“As previously noted, the post-Soviet score of attacking other countries is: USA 2 – Russia 0?

True, but the post-Soviet score of attacking one’s own country = USA 0 – 1 Russia.

: )))

Firmalar:

You didn’t post the reply to that.

Typical mass media tact of showing bias for one side over the other.

Or when you said on line that CD mentioned to you that I email “attacks” on others. In my instance, I didn’t discuss the content.

CD is full of shit on that point. Nothing wrong with firm criticism as opposed to off topic trolling. Tell you one thing, I don’t perform in extremely managed (censored) situations and I directly challenge the people I’m critiquing – full name (no “db” kind of shit).

On my neo v. zi point, neocons can be considered “Zionists” in the sense that all of ’em are pro-Israeli. However, most pro-israelis aren’t neocons.

As for the neolibs, they have different priorities among themselves. Is Fouad Ajami a Zionist. If anything, he’s perhaps more of an opportunist.

I’m right in what I’ve said about former Yugo. There’re direct translations of what Milosevic said at Kosovo Polje. The English language mass media coverage on that topic has often been extremely misleading. Galling to consider, given how many don’t speak out against it while bashing the wrongs (real and exaggerated) about Russian media.

I now what the f___k I’m talking about, which is uncomforting to some high placed folks.

“The Death of Yugoslavia” if I recall correctly was written by Laura Silber, who has been employed by Soros. She’s very Holbrooke/Clark/Albright oriented.

She most certainly wouldn’t get the better of me in a panel discussion.

Mike

“He thinks you’re Roobit, a St. Pete based Russian.”

I thought the kid was baby talking. 😀

I’d love to be in St. P., but maybe a bit later in the year after it warms up a bit.

troll

“But I do believe entirely in their right to have a nation”

That makes you a zionist. You lot continually misrepresent the term and equate zionism wholly with being Jewish. Probably 80-90% of all zionists are not Jewish. There are 40-50 million zionists in the usa, less than 10 million are Jewish. Zionism basicly means one supports the state of israel to be a state where Jewish people run the show.

A bit of advice. The first to seriously quote a wikipedia entry as fact in a debate loses. There is no appeal.

If you are what you say you are, there’s a chance you’re more than a mere button sorter and have somewhat of an analytical mind. Use it. Look at the subject from multiple points of view, don’t just read one source and assume it’s gospel. Especially something from as biased a source as the bbc. They are no more authorative than cnn, fox or your local paper. You wouldn’t rely upon a source like the bbc to get accurate information about things in the field of work you are in, would you? You’d rely on a specialist periodical or newsletter. So why would you think some news rag would be any more accurate about anything else? They are not, none of them are.

”A bit of advice. The first to seriously quote a wikipedia entry as fact in a debate loses. There is no appeal”

I know, I know. We dont allow students to use it at all, and I shouldnt have, but was stuck for info. In any event, the piece wasnt anti-Serb though. Mike – its not the same Death of Yugoslavia – I’m almost certain it wasnt written by her, I’m sure it was written by an Englishman. But hold on a second – that book wasnt my only source. I’m also talking about years of British, Irish and US media, all of whom have blamed the Serbs. And I believe them. I do not see what material interest that the UK or the US has in the Balkans, save for expense and aggravation. I simply do not believe that we’ve all been lied to and the Serbs are innocent. This kind of stuff about US hegemony etc reminds me of all the internet crap about Freemasons, Jewish banking etc – people convinced there are ulteriour motives in everything that the UK and the US does. I’ve no doubt it is the case sometimes, but not in this one. It seems to me the Balkans has been a massive pain in the arse for NATO and the EU. And Ireland, who is neutral and is the lead peacekeeping force in Kosovo, is supporting its independence. Sorry gentlemen, but there is a powerful case against what you are saying. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that’s the consensus out there.

”You wouldn’t rely upon a source like the bbc to get accurate information about things in the field of work you are in, would you? You’d rely on a specialist periodical or newsletter. ”
No I wouldnt, but I believe the BBC is possibly the best news org in the world, bar none. I simply do not see what motivation they would have for misrepresenting the Serbs. Again, we are in the realms of crackpot theory. And yes, I know, the BBC has fucked up, but I dont believe it has fucked all of nigh on 17 years of Yugoslav coverage. And apart from anything else, scientific papers can only be ‘relied upon’ if the work can be repeated and the results obstained the same as in the paper. Maybe hayate you’d like to list the peer-reviewed papers and academic journals you are replying upon for your own opinions? Perhaps I can find enlightenment there.

”If you are what you say you are, there’s a chance you’re more than a mere button sorter and have somewhat of an analytical mind.”
I am indeed. But as Mike has said, its not all that relevant to this. In this case I am just a punter. And indeed I havent studied Yugoslavia in great depth.

Does supporting the existence of an Israeli state make one a Zionist? I wasnt aware. Yes, I do believe they are entitled to a state and think that the two-state view mentioned by Mike is the right way – of course Palestine should have one as well. The Jews have been wronged the world over, even in Ireland, for many years, and I believe the least they are entitled to is a place of their own. The fact that they get up off their arse and do well for themselves is a trait to be commended, not belittled, if you’ll pardon the outrageous stereotyping.

Here’s the bias: you will suggest Russia to be biased in a way you wouldn’t consider on some others. But those others are. Putting aside the wanton attacks against me, there’re the recent Szamuely and Johnstone articles in Counterpunch, along with credible journalists like Binder, Laughland and other Western non-Orthodox Christian others.

Ther Serb adversaries lobbied a heck of a lot better than themselves. It’s no coincidence that the Vatican and Germany were gung ho in seeking to get Slovenia and Croatia recognized ASAP. German media at times is especially anti-Serb. This has to do with good numbers of Croats and Turks living in Germany, combined with the Serbs being a pesky opponent of the Germans in two world wars. In the US, Albanian-American nationalists outspent the Serbs in “contributions” (bribes) to the American body politic (influential folks like McCain, Dole, Engel, the late Lantos and others). In Bosnia, Western journos were typically situated in Izetbegovic strongholds. You don’t think residing with one of the combatants might’ve skewed the reporting?

A scientist looks at all the plausible data and makes a reasoned view.

That the BBC is probably the best overall news source in the world doesn’t negate it being off at times. Media at large has a negative rap with many.

I see this thread is being read by others. This venue is a kind of samizdat.

”A scientist looks at all the plausible data and makes a reasoned view.

That the BBC is probably the best overall news source in the world doesn’t negate it being off at times. Media at large has a negative rap with many.
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Which is what I’m doing Mike. But I find it very hard to believe the BBC would screw up deliberately for 17 years.

”Last week, there was a US congressional hearing on whether Roger Clemens took HGH up the ass.”
Oh yes. What a piece of news. Nobody has yet developed a satisfactory method for the detection and confirmation of the administration of HGH to athletes. Its a fascinating, amazing story. This year will be the Olympics of HGH use, and the next will be the one of HGH detection. Damn and blast gene cloning and recombinant synthesis!

Mike,
the points you make are in fairness perfectly valid, but at the same time they dont account for the BBC’s overiding reporting that much of the fault for the Yugoslav wars is with Serbia. You have highlighted incidents which do cast doubt on their objectivity, but these are isolated and do not carry enough weight for one to term the BBC’s entire coverage as biased. I have no doubt Serbia is not the only one to blame here, but the fact is the BBC and practically every western news agency has painted the same picture and the majority of defendants facing trial in the Hague are Serb. I am aware that Kosovo fell to pieces because of Albanian nationalism when autonomous, but we are now in a situation that, for right or wrong reasons, there is a vast Albanian majority there and the Serbs did start the fun and games there in 1998. And havent you heard the Serb saying ”we’d do anything to keep Kosovo except live there”. Nu shto?
As Slobo’s speech, there are different views on what was said, and again I dont believe the BBC had any material interest in misrepresenting his comments.

C’mon – Gerrrrrr’s a pussycat really… 😉

”Mllosevic’s 1989 Kosovo Polje address was flat out misrepresented as there’s ample on line translation of it available. To continuously say otherwise is a flat out LIE.”

Mike I’m just telling you what I read. Were you there? Do you have a transcript in Serbo-Croat?

”The ICTY has displayed a NATO kangaroo court like manner.”
I daresay its not perfect, then again most legal processes are not. But kangaroo court? We’re in the realms of Freemason and Jewish banking conspiracies with such a statement. Mike I do have respect for your beliefs about this, but I simply dont share them.

A non-orthodox Christian sent me this note from Paris:

I have been in Paris France on business for 1 week and will return to ** next week. Although this Kosovo issue is really serious, I simply can’t believe BBC here on my French TV in the hotel… They go on and on about Russia as if Khodorkovsky, or Berezovsky are saints… I was very surprised to see some program with Neil Bush walking around London with Boris… And the image they make of Putin is sick…

So, I wonder, should Russia pump in some NGO money into Vermont? I’m being sarcastic… Vermont was really close to splitting off of the US… I little more foreign money and maybe they could breach 50%… Then have Serbia recognize Vermont… I’m being silly, but so is this Kosovo stuff.

I think geo politics is now at a flat line, a time when the US may have influence on others but at the same time when other can start screwing with the same horse power with American (internal) interests…

This is my first time in Paris, not bad… but there a many homeless… and gypsies begging all over the place…

Some interesting and agreeable points in this piece:

http://www.rusjournal.com/thomas.html

Touche.

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Contrary to some spinsters, there’s plenty of valid, fact based commentary and raw facts at this site:

http://tiraspoltimes.com

Pridnestroive and not Kosovo is the better example of a “special case” for independence.

Rather than study and debate this point, some choose diversion, via petty attacks – some of which are rather McCarthyite.

An encore for those who didn’t get the gist:

The ICTY has displayed a NATO kangaroo court like manner.

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/5349/26/

http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol3Issue28/Vol3Issue28LettersPFV.html

http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Apr2007/hermanpr0407.html

It’s difficult to settle in a place where you’re met with violence and no funding for such a resettlement.

Mllosevic’s 1989 Kosovo Polje address was flat out misrepresented as there’s ample on line translation of it available. To continuously say otherwise is a flat out LIE.

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/milospeech.htm

I can simplify the above for you…

Yes, please do explain quite what Heinlein’s “problem” was and how it “came in the application of that wisdon [sic].”

“Its even more difficult to respect someone who would rather be spit-roasted alive than reveal what their day job is. I have revealed mine; you have not yours. Why? Pourquoi? Pochemu?”

I’m not sure what Mike’s view is, but I certainly wouldn’t tell the world what my day job is.

There are lots of perfectly valid reasons for people not wanting to discuss what they do to earn a crust – some are in politically sensitive jobs, some have employers that frown on people putting any views in print, some work as janitors and worry that people would sneer at them because of their ‘lowly’ position.

The bottom line, as always, is to judge people’s views by what they actually write. It’s usually far more accurate than making a judgement based on occupation.

Nobody is sneering at all.

Just to clarify, I didn’t mean to imply that you were – I know you better than that. Just that some people might be reluctant to reveal information because they worry that others might.

I think you’re right when it comes to getting paid gigs as an ‘expert’ – on tv, for example. Then, it really does help if you can substantiate your experience (a day job in the field is helpful – although certainly not always necessary).

But, when it comes to discussions here, for example, or on any other internet fora, I think its best just to judge the words on the page. I’m sure there are plenty of nuts out there who work professionally in their chosen field of nuttiness…

By the way – how are you guys going with your bid to break the record for most comments on a Siberian Light post ever?

As previously noted, I’ve in fact been paid for some of my SL topic related work. In no way am I obligated to discuss the exact specifics on line. Show me other professionals who do such. My participation at this and other venues is an honestly direct approach at interacting with different ideas. It’s a darn shame that this gets corrupted thorough no fault of my own.

At this venue, I’m not obligated to discuss my personal life (non-SL topic related employment history included) at the repeated request of someone who carries on like an asshole (a frankly honest way of putting it).

In troll like manner, the self described “scientist” in another unrelated SL field continuously second guesses, insults and lies about my background and views. Shame on the so called professionals going along with such manner. “Bring back the Irishman” (quoted from another venue that became an overly partisan sewer).

My email lists have been an overall hit in discussing views that often get shortsighted. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with them. Those asking off, get taken off. The Action Ukraine Report, the once active Untimely Thoughts and other lists correspond similarly.

A general note: established troll like manner isn’t welcomed in my in box. Such correspondences get directed into the junk folder and aren’t opened. It’s therefore a waste of time to send such material. I regularly correspond with people having different views from my own. Such individuals don’t engage in troll like manner.

On the ICTY, these three sources include four people: a respected legal scholar, a respected analyst and respected journalist, to go along with my posted/published note at a mainstream DC based think tank source.

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/5349/26/

http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/Vol3Issue28/Vol3Issue28LettersPFV.html

http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Apr2007/hermanpr0407.html

The ICTY has some of the same imperfections found in the legal systems of Hilter era Germany and Stalin ruled USSR – a dominant political agenda circumventing reality.

As this and other substantively clear sites reveal, Milosevic’s 1989 Kosovo Polje address was butchered from what it actually stated.

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/milospeech.htm

To continuously suggest differently is a LIE.

Much of what’s here in this note a repeat. This has to do with a troll who follows the Nazi concept of the big lie – repeat something over and over again, with the intent that fallacy becomes truth.

I deal with analyzing SL topic related subject matter. When I post supporting documentation it shouldn’t be considered off base to get direct replies, rather than rehashing faulty innuendo.

For anyone thinking that I was harsh – uh ah!

The badgering troll like manner gainst me has included a series of “apologies”, followed by the rehashed troll like manner.

Such behavior shouldn’t be permitted to linger on. Others would choose to leave altogether, rather than put up with such antics. A kind of censorship for sure.

I don’t like the idea of buckling down to terrorism.

Andy,

you wrote: “But, when it comes to discussions here, for example, or on any other internet fora, I think its best just to judge the words on the page.”

Objection, Your Honour !

Let’s assume, just for a split second, your blog wouldn’t be about Russia but about a particular cancerous disease. Would you still raise that point ?

Wouldn’t you agree, that there’s a tremendous difference between a commentator writing …

“This illness is incurable and those suffering from it will die a painful and horrible death. Period.” …

but then admitting his name is Al Bundy, selling shoes at WalMart, and a commentator claiming to be …

“A London based medical analyst and hospital critic, whose commentary and expertise has been published in dozens of medical periodicals and all over the internet”.

This “medical analyst and hospital critic” owes his audience the explanations a) which education he has, b) where he has acquired his professional experiences and c) in which occupational field he is active.

Why ? Because some poor individual reading him might take his “commentary and expertise” for serious, might stop taking the medication and might stop seeing his doctor because a “medical analyst and hospital critic, published in dozens of medical periodicals and all over the internet” writes he’ll die after all, regardless what medication the individual takes and which doctor the individual sees.

Back to Russia-blogging …

Certainly, nobody will suffer serious consequences or even die when reading an “analyst and critic” in the comment-section of a blog, but when quantity (sic!) is being mistaken for quality, some might be mislead to believe there’s truth to what this omnipresent person writes and draw false conculsions.

I have two kids in school, another one to be in school in a couple of years, and at times I am horrified when checking their homework. Why ? Because they picked up some stuff published in Wikipedia and elsewhere on the internet, by some self-proclaimed “expert” with absolutely no education or practice.

And regarding Mike’s inevitable reply … “what subtantial stuff of yours has been published when and where” … here’s the answer … NONE.

BUT … I neither claim to be a pundit, an expert, a critic or an analyst … what I write is purely my insignificant personal oppinion without any claim being the sole source or truth and wisdom. And I will also readily answer the question regarding what I do for my living. It’s nothing I have to be ashamed about.

It’s unfortusnte that the blogosphere is corrupted by crank like activity in the form of anonymous bigots and dip s___t comments that wouldn’t be considered at a number of more responsible venues.

Like to or not – I’ll continue advocating the qualitative route.

Mike …

“If you’ve a problem with my SL topic related analysis, then directly deal with it; instead of posting gibberish about me abroad.”

Just to be clear on this …

I’m not posting anything about you anywhere, besides on my own blog. This happened twice within the past 12 months. And what I write on my blog is written in German, a language you obiously are not able to speak or write. So how can you tell it’s “gibberish” ?

I think its not adequate to hijack other people’s blog by flooding their comment sections … so Mike Averko is usually not a topic on the blogs I visit. The only blogs I regularly encounter Mike Averko is Siberian Light and Sean’s Russia Blog … and I neither envy Andy nor Sean for having such a passionate contributer to their comment section, writing (at times) up to 90 % of all comments.

But as a sign of peace and friendship, I offer you to discuss the “Kosovo Independence” . I guess you still have my e-mail.

That’s: hear of translation.

”To get to the level of the troll: I once again note how he didn’t link a solo/non-blog posted article of his on the purported non-SL topic area of his claimed expertise (not that I really care).”

Sometimes Mike I dont think you actually understand what a scientific, or indeed any type of research paper is. In very few cases scientific papers have only one author, because there is huge work involved. Secondly, my one article was published in the most important journal in its field. You can try to denigrate all you want, but the only one looking stupid is you. Secondly, and I’ve asked this before, have you ever been published in double-blind peer-reviewed academic journal? No. The reason is very simple. You are BONE LAZY and couldnt be bothered learning Russian or Serbo-Croat which would have been necessary for you to gather data. Therefore all your theories are based on translated material, which is at the mercy of the translator both in terms of style and indeed whether or not something gets translated at all. Your arch foe Peter Lavelle has an armful of papers published. What leads you to believe you are his superior in the field of Russia matters? What divine intellect do you posses that exempts you from doing all the things others have to do to become called experts? The answer is you dont have that intellect. You are not an expert. You are an amateur. And no, like Heribert, i dont claim expertise, i dont even claim it in my own field. But in they eyes of my peers what I’ve done is light years ahead of what you’ve done in yours. Light years.
Unlike you, I’m going the hard route to ‘expertise’ -publishing papers and professional work experience. When I’m about 60 and have 30 papers published, then I might indulge myself that I’m well versed, not 45 and with no papers published.

And before you start a troll barrage, you wouldnt leave it alone Mike, not me. And after that, are you going to deal with my views on Slobo? Or have you surrendered that too?

Heribert
spasibo bolshoe. Byul ochen smeshnoi!) And Al Bundy….gosh, that was a great tv show. Thanks for reminding me of it.

”some might be mislead to believe there’s truth to what this omnipresent person writes and draw false conculsions.”
That is the heart of the matter. And that is where questions of proven expertise come in. God Forbid anyone believes half the bullshit being peddled. Most of it is, as I’ve said before, like Jewish banking or Freemason conspiracy theories. Madness.

I’m ignoring the troll’s last set of comments directed at me because of other obligations, and it has long gotten to the point where my points have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

I did catch a “scientific” quip, which is a likely butchering of its actual meaning. His manner here and elsewhere as reference points.

A not so intelligent individual, who has the gall to challenge my abilities when he has comparatively achieved next to nothing on matter dealing with former Communist bloc analysis.

A shlub who thinks that watching/listenting to the BBC makes his absurd points valid.

The way he glosses over the academic links debunking his silly notions reveal that he can’t be much of a scientist.

Where’re those solo/non blog articles of his in his purported field of expertise (not that I really care to know if they exist)?

What a hypocrite!

Are you just thick or something? I linked the journal I was published in. It wasnt a blog.

http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2006/nd/663-healy.html

How many times do I have to explain that scientific research papers are almost invariably produced by more than one person?

And again, please answer: What academic papers have you published? Please answer directly, no tangents. And again, I’m not sounding off. I am simply illustrating that you, who call yourself an expert, have not published ONE SINGLE WORD in an academic journal. Not one. Zero. Nichego. Nol. Rien.

”I’m ignoring the troll’s last set of comments directed at me because of other obligations, and it has long gotten to the point where my points have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Yes, back to the day-job, whatever that is. BBC vs blogs/cranks/defenders of war criminals? No contest. Thumped again Mike.

”The miserable bastard talks about “lazy”. I’ve done more research and analytical work on SL related topics than himself. He can’t come up with sufficient evidence contradicting what I’ve said. Hence, his repeated trolling”

You’re as lazy as sin. 45 years of age without a word of Russian. Your mouth is writing cheques that your credibility cant cash. You havent a word of original research published, juts opinions got from second-hand sources. Give it up. You’re no pundit.

”Someone mailed me his recent rehashed garbage that was previously addressed and soundly debunked.”

No, I quoted from Milosevics speech and challenged your points. You have no response. And however emailed you must have something better to do with their life. Your problem now Averko is you’re in a losing quagmire you cant get out of quickly enough.

You didn’t correctly quote that address of Milosevic’s. You LIE again unlike yours truly.

You brag about being in a field which doesn’t relate to SL topics.

You’ve been unable to link a non blog/solo article of yours in that claimed field of expertise.

Using your own criteria, your input is of little, if any substantive value.

Let’s see you get a column at an America Chronicle like venue and successfully challenge my fact based analysis.

What you do here indicates that you’re an intellectually challenged person with a rather severe personal disorder.

”A solo article of yours.

What else have you done chump?

You’re a little stinking cyber punk of a fraud.”

Clearly I have published more articles in academic journals than you have. I’m 33, you’re 45, and unlike you claim no expertise yet in my field. But I’m still way ahead of you. Blogs and internet ”newspapers” like the TT are not academic journals Mike. Go learn Russian, publish some papers. You’ll have more cred that way:-)

Mike the Journal Of Analytical Toxicology is a real magazine, an academic publication. You’ve never been published in print AT ALL, never mind in an academic journal. Forget blogs. And websites. I mean real publications and not ”letters to the editor”. Blogs for amateurs, Mike. Letters to the editor dont count. Again, where is your academic work? Did you even get anything published when you did your undergrad thesis? I know this never happens usually, but considering you think yourself the Grand Master of Russian analysis, I thought maybe you were some sort of undergrad prodigy.

”On to some pleasant things”
There are few things sweeter than a white flag. You’ve only yourself to blame. Unable to defend your Serb crap, you resorted to insults. You got back wat you started. LO-SER!)

”Part of me wants to close the comments on this thread, but another part of me is finding immense enjoyment from the creativity and effort you are putting into these insults. An art-form in themselves.”

Apologies Andy. In fairness I stuck the hand out ealier today to Mike, in a comment at 2.08pm, and it wasnt reciprocated. Its hard to take this bullshit lying down.

”The badgering troll like manner gainst me has included a series of “apologies”, followed by the rehashed troll like manner.”
Indeed you’ll never get one again and regret you hadnt the basic courtesy to accept it. Cos from now on I’m not letting any of your bullshit pass.

That’s: wouldn’t.

Andy:

At this thread, Kosovo can be considered fair game unlike some other issues because it’s mentioned in the above post.

I make a sincere effort at trying to stay on topic.

It’s regretful how some consistently try to go off topic, inclusive of insults and negative misrepresenations. It’s very wrong to allow such manner to linger on. Such conditions only serve to further provoke a not so nice situation.

News flash:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7256158.stm

I condemn this without holding back.

The disgusting recognition of an independent Kosovo shouldn’t excuse such manner.

Having said this, I hope my drafted plan still has a chance.

Not positive news at all, although probably to be expected.

I still think the final outcome will be a de-facto partition of Kosovo, with the Northern, Serb dominated areas either making a UDI of their own, or finding some way to unify with Serbia proper.

The problem is going to be finding a solution for those Serbs living in areas in the south of Kosovo. They are probably the most vulnerable group at this point.

”Stop lying about the past troll. It’s on record.”

It sure is Averko-troll, right after 2.08pm.

” condemn this without holding back.

The disgusting recognition of an independent Kosovo shouldn’t excuse such manner.

Having said this, I hope my drafted plan still has a chance.”

Just saw it on CNN. Its hard to blame them though, the country is being disembowelled. They should’ve thought of that when they supported Slobo after Kosovo Pole. All roads have an end. If this keeps up Serbia will end up the size of Malta. Which might not be a bad thing. Your plan has no chance of success – its over. Russia will bow down eventually, when offered a carrot, as it usually does.

Lying troll, who has been busted for (among other things) lying about what Milosevic said at Kosovo Polje in 1989.

Terrbily slanted coverage at Fox, MSNBC and CNN America.

Heribert is spot on.

William Cohen just talked about “the rule of law” in Serbia. I’d like to hear his expertise on where he exactly sees “the rule of law” in the “Kosovo Independence” ? I slightly remember my classes on “Public International Law” … particularly when the topic “integrity of national borders” was discussed. I am a little clueless right now.

I saw that one as well Heribert. It’s like the ICTY. His kind hypocritically make and break standards as they see fit.

Is there an admission that I’m matter of fact right about Milosevic’s 1989 Kosovo Polje address? If not, it just goes to show how some will continuously lie on.

Andy, I’m trying to keep it civil while not bowing down to terrorism.

Unlike the real troll here, “Averko troll” has been posted/published at a number of venues; which many would consider credible. Unlike the real troll here, “Averko troll” has also been paid for his SL topic related work.

So much for the troll and his hypocritical standards.

Call it shoving right back up the troll’s smelly ass, where it belongs.

TKO

”Is there an admission that I’m matter of fact right about Milosevic’s 1989 Kosovo Polje address? If not, it just goes to show how some will continuously lie on.”

Mike, I conceded that the ‘no-one should dare to beat you’ bit was misrepresented. But you simply cannot deny the rhetoric used in that speech and that it was war mongering. I am using a translation YOU provided. You are actually ignoring words that you use to bolster your case. That speech was scandalous!

”Yes, unfortunately. I’ve spent quite some time in the military myself (12 years – Oct 1986 until Sept 1998). Had my share of GECONIFOR … I dare to say that I have some knowledge of Serbian mentality.”

I spoke brieflt at a Christmas party to an Irish soldier based there. He was quite worried about the Serbs, as I recall. I was drunk though and remember little else. But the Serbs I worked with were resigned to Kosovo’s loss. They werent happy about it though, and consistently blamed the failure of the Albanians to make any attempt whatsoever to integrate, from day one. In that sense, it is a shame what’s happening.

“Whether Kosovo can even function on its own is another thing altogether.”

What I am particularly worried about is the “spark” that might now be provided to all those “Albanian minorities” in the larger area … e.g. Macedonia … all pursueing their “independence” and finally ending up discovering their “Greater Albanian Identity” … what will see then ?

A “Greater Albania” muslim state in Europe ?

No!!!!

To take out of such context what he said is a gross misrepresentation. This is what much of western mASS media did.

On the whole, he clearly lauded the idea of multi-ethnic Yugoslavia, noting its being threatened by the enhanced Albanian nationalist terrorism – the result of the great autonomy that province had.

This point relates to how oultets like the BBC typically say the problem started with the “Serb crackdown” in 1989.

The USSR attacked Nazi Germany.

Gentlemen ! Please ! Please, don’t force Andy to close this thread.

What a pity I don’t have satellite tv. I’d like to see the coverage of the Belgrade riots in Russian TV.

At this moment: if you’ve high speed, you can get video of the riot at this link:

http://www.serbianna.com

Most Albanians are secular. 20% are of OC background. They tend to reside in southern Albania and Greece (away from Kosovo). 10% are RC. The “Kosovars” are mostly of Muslim origin.

Note how Muhammed Al Jinnah split the Indian independence movement by advocating a Muslim dominated state in Pakistan. Jinnah wasn’t so religious. For that matter, Israel’s staunchest supporters include some Jews, who say they’re atheists.

Ok, the German embassy is not burning at the moment … but our brave embassy guards had to be evacuated. I wonder by whom. The Americans were more clever, their embassy was empty already.

”Gentlemen ! Please ! Please, don’t force Andy to close this thread.”

Fair enough Heribert. The man has repeatedly insulted me, inspite of several attempts at peace. This from a man who’s 45 years old and by all accounts cant score.

For some reason CNN here isnt showing live pictures, nor BBC world nor SKy News nor Bloomberg. My internet speed is neither slow nor fast, if that makes any sense.

”Well, maybe … a decade down the road, will we see an American president calling for an “Coalition of the Willing” to form an alliance to remove the “Muslim-Albanian-Threat” … to remove some tyrant … with WMD’s … or without … some “son of a bitch” ? Let’s see !”

I’ve seen the Greater Albania maps Mike linked. Ambitious and scary indeed. I’m just glad we havent an embassy there to burn – we were one of the first to recognise Kosovo, or say we would.

Second submission. Pardon if posted in duplicate.

Heribert:

He’s Germnan born, with both his parents being Serb. Got it?

If I’m not mistaken, Prussia didn’t only constitute areas which are now parts of Poland and Russia.

Duly noted how the troll falsely carries on as an innocent.

UNSC 1244 is fully outlined in the article hyperlinked at my name (originally posted back in March at another venue):

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 specifically states that Kosovo is a part of Yugoslavia. Serbia is internationally recognized as the successor state to Yugoslavia. In Communist and post Communist Yugoslavia Kosovo was part of the Serb republic. UNSC 1244 calls for a return of refugees, as well as of Serb military and government bodies to Kosovo. This has yet to happen. In legalese, the 1244 clause about taking into “full consideration” the unsigned Rambouillet diktat is not a green light for independence. It simply means that aspects of Rambouillet can perhaps be considered. Prior to the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, the Clinton Administration and Kosovo Albanian nationalists wrote a clause in Rambouillet which would have (if signed) permitted Kosovo to vote on independence after three years from the accord’s signing. I specifically recall noted American University law professor Paul Williams bragging about his having written that segment on Geraldo Rivera’s MSNBC cable news show. No one questioned Williams’ objectivity as a then adviser to the Kosovo Albanian nationalist leaders. Madeleine Albright was quoted as having said that Rambouillet was written in a way that was unacceptable to the Serbs. An obvious pretext for starting the war that was to be. The “final outcome” status for Kosovo is stated towards the end of 1244. It relates to how Kosovo should be governed as a part of Serbia. What other logical way can be otherwise suggested when the very same document recognizes Kosovo as part of Serbia, while stating that refugees, Serb government and military bodies should return to that province?”

“This from a man who’s 45 years old and by all accounts cant score.”

His intell continues to match his earlier comments about Hayate.

What’s next?

Just watched the Serbianna video – it’s actually just a link to a video on the (British) Sky News website.

In that particular clip, Serbian riot police are on site in force and charging protestors away when they do try to break into the embassy. It’ll be interesting to see if that was isolated, or if the Belgrade police are making a real effort to stop the riots. Interesting also to see who the US blames when the dust settles tomorrow morning.

By the way – if you’re in the UK and get Sky, you can watch Russia Today live on Channel 516. At the moment they’re showing a rather interesting documentary about the manufacture of valenki (felt boots), but I expect they’ll be covering the news from Belgrade again live at the top of the hour.

Thanks Andy.

Troll:

You’ve already proven your asshole status. Moreover, it wouldn’t be wise of you to doctor any one to one emails, or post undoctored ones.

Your call. This latest outburst from you is a further revelation of your ill being.

I don’t bow down to terrorists.

The wording of the troll’s last post suggests either another person’s writing and-or input. Whatever, note the spite behind it.

”You’ve already proven your asshole status. Moreover, it wouldn’t be wise of you to doctor any one to one emails, or post undoctored ones.”

You must be joking. Doctored? Apologise or be exposed. Your call.

Apologize for standing up to a creepy troll?

Weird1

Just watching RTTV now. They’re reporting that things are quieting down and people seem to be going home.

But also, they’re quoting Serbian media reports that a “charred body” has been found in the US embassy. Presumably, if all the US staff had gone home, this would be one of the rioters?

Liar:

I’d very limited exchanges with you. Private matter that you can easily doctor like a slimeball twit. You said some things in agreement with my comments.

You’re the one who should apologize in addition to getting some psychological help by making such comments on line.

I’ll spare your embarrassment. I’ll send directly them to the people involved right now, and let them peruse them. Doctoring can easily be detected Mike. Or, you can apologise privately to my by mail. If I get the email within 20 minutes, I’ll spare your blushes. YOU started this crap today, and I will finish it. I would have taken this whole conversation off line, were it not for the fact that you squeel in public to the High Heavens whenever I send you an email. Bear in mind these people are friends of yours, VERY close by.

Mike, I insulted nobody in any mail, and have nothing to be scared of. Doctor away, it can easily be shown to be so.

My friends have zero to worry about. They know me well enough and can see what kind of a mind you have.

My friends respect my earnest willingness to take unpopularly just stands.

There’s something to be said about wrestling with a pig. Like this troll knows who my friends are. This person, who has gleefully insulted and lied about me at other sites.

In a not so distant SL post at another thread, he lauded my mailings. Can’t seem to make up his mind. “Poisonous”? How would he know? He’s not on the lists. Much of those lists content is at the GUT International thread I linked here. Along with his manner here, his opened and non-opened emails reveal a really creepy side.

NOT putting them here, apologies for any confusion.

Prior submission didn’t go thru. Pardon if posted twice.

“GER O’BRIEN Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 11:53 pm
NOT putting them here, apologies for any confusion.”

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Liar! He clearly said he would. He previously said he wouldn’t do it at all.

Regardless, he’s one sickola.

As for “hiding”, that’s your earlier troll friend (initials CD) who left here in disgrace after posting a series of 100% troll comments at another SL thread.

Andy & Co:

The posted material here is definitely doctored.

Note that it goes against what he previously said.

Has he not really gone beyiond the pale.

Earlier today, Andy very diplomatically questioned his manner. Now, he takes it to a greater extreme.

There is nothing doctored in it all. I have gone beyond the pale, and already regretting posting it, but you brought it on with your 11.58 comment. Tough shit.

Now if you dont mind, Arkady Renko is visiting the militsia coroner in Moscow. You can clean up this dirty mess yourself, your two faced little lisa.

In fairness, Andy please remove it, and sorry for putting it up.

Exile wrote a not so complimentary piece about JRL. It seems to have been purged. If so, why? It raised pertinent points.

”PLEASE LEAVE IT UP ANDY, WITH ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS. HE HAS SHAMED HIMSELF”

No Mike, the shame is all yours, for insulting someone who published you and whom considered you a friend. Today Mike, you are toast, and shown for what you are, which is a liar and a snake.
I only feel bad for behaving as badly as you. Perhaps he should leave it up, as testamnet to the rat you are.

”No dent or scratch.

I’m resilient creep.”

Lets let Andy, the person you insulted -be the judge of that, you dishonest turd. Your’re certainly a resilient creep. Besides Andy is in bed now.

He’s the same $__t who didn’t say boo when his pal made one crank post after another at a different SL thread.

That creep was sure put in his place.

I don’t take too kindly to frauds. The rat (as in someone releasing doctored emails) is no one special and shouldn’t be coddled, despite his carrying on like an overgrown infant.

Something creepy about him for sure. Ditto some of the company he seems to keep. For whatever reason, he’s inftatuated with me.

Don’t you think the Zionist reference is a bit overemphasized? You make some really good points. The constant harping on that matter undoubtedly throws a lot of people off from your valid points. Yes, Israel has that “special relationship” with America built on lobbying clout. Nevertheless, calling him a Zionist is well… (in your case, it’s not anti-Jewish, but somewhat Lenni Brenneresque)

Regarding an earlier discussion on Serbia-Prussia and Serbia-Germany, here’re some notes from a Serbian-German:

“During the 18th and 19th century, Serbia and Prussia had good relationships. Both countries were consolidators in their regions. Furthermore, the cultural exchange was great (Goethe, Schiller, Grimm brothers and Serbian poems had great relationships)
Also there is a great trade relationship between Germany and Serbia (70% of Serbia’s factories are from Germany)
The misunderstandings started when Austria joined forces with Germany at the beginning of the 20th century. Serbia and Austria had, have and will always have strategic issues in the Western Balkans as being the dominant states. In 1914 Austria forced Germany to war against Serbia. Serbia decided WW1 with breaking through the Greek front in 1918. In WW2, Germany sent former Austrian soldiers to Serbia who had their own revenge in mind. During WW2 the real Germans behaved properly in Serbia and a lot of officers had great relationships there
Many fashist Croats left to Germany after WW2 and organized themselves over there. Chetniks went mostly to the USA, Canada and Australia
But: Djindjic was a great friend of Germany and the Germans. Whenever I went to Serbia, everybody was talking nicely and respectfully about Germany. Therefore, things are getting better…”

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This was from about a year ago. Keep in mind that the chap is a German-Serb admirer of Chetnik WW II leader Draza Mikhailovich (pardon Russian transliteration of his name). He’s also a fan of the late Zoran Djindjic who had good ties with Germany. Djindjic wasn’t a particularly popular figure in Serbia. Kostunica and him had issues. Tadic is somewhere in between Kostunica and Djindjic, with Kostunica being somewhere between Tadic and Nikolic.

Wow – fun stuff to wake up to on a Friday morning.

Frankly, I’m baffled as to how I should respond to this and still appear the embodiment of calm reasonableness that I so clearly am – well, compared to you two guys at least.

Let’s start of with this – the post Mike is referring to in his email:

http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/04/10/the-best-books-about-russia-on-the-radio/

I’m confident the email isn’t doctored. If it is, Ger should be given some credit at least – as an uber-creative master forger.

An apology would be nice, but if it doesn’t come I’m not going to be banning anyone.

You both are clearly intelligent men, and have a great deal to contribute in the comments here, bringing views from two sides of the political spectrum. Your continued commenting is welcome here.

Having said that, you are also both morons.

You both know why you are morons, but you also both know how to hold a civilised conversation while at the same time expressing differing views – I suggest you do so in future.

Perhaps better stated as:

“You can be considered a moron for treating the two of us as equals, which is clearly not the case.”

He has clearly shown that a stated apology means little to some (himself included).

I’m not like that. An apology from me is sincere and is given when there’s a firm basis for it.

– Releasing doctored emails
– Misrepresenting what I’ve said
– Disrespecting other views
– Repeating rehashed and faulty criticisms, which were previously addressed

I’m sorry that trolling at venues like these can hijack otherwise constructive discussion. I can only to do so much to ensure the latter.

I don’t understand this one:

“Let’s start of with this – the post Mike is referring to in his email:

http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/04/10/the-best-books-about-russia-on-the-radio/

I’m confident the email isn’t doctored. If it is, Ger should be given some credit at least – as an uber-creative master forger.”

******

That link doesn’t appear to correspond with his released and doctored email matter at this thread.

My initial assessment of the troll was correct, funny how it always is. It is a zionist troll, plain and simple. The fact it attempts to contact people under false pretenses here confirms this. It is gathering personal data. Data mining. Mike, if you have an email it sent, run an IP address check and see if it will source. Most use email services that don’t or use proxies. If it does show he’s in Ireland at all, he’s probably an american student. I’ve had over a dozen of these data miners try the same scam on me, just from gut related contacts.

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http://dedushka-nomto.livejournal.com/162325.html

db,

took me a while to read that one, my Rus is bad -maybe you’re on to something.
Hayate, care to tell us a bit more about yourself?

Heribert lies again as I NEVER called Andy a schmuckowitz. I greatly respect Andy’s free media ways over the course of time. Doesn’t mean I always agree with him.

On top of Heribert’s other lies are his insulting me with misrepresentations at his blog (and elsewhere), as he blocked my attempts to comment. He’s not one to pass moral judgment on others.

When compared to some others here including Heribert, I’ve more than proven how I can effectively communicate elsewhere; despite the prevailing prejudices against views I share with intelligent others. It includes a number of non-blog appearances. Heribbert reflects a crank like attitude that has tarred the blogging community.

Why should Hayate have to reveal himself/herself unlike “db”?

Hypocrisy duly noted.

The emails were doctored in terms of leaving out how the lying troll egged me on as if he was supportive of my position. Some other issues as well.

The troll LIES about a site he once again brings up. In no legitimate way can it be seen in the same bigoted light as LR where EB appeared. This was earlier detailed at this thread. Note how the troll ignores that as he rehashes misinformation. Vintage trolling. At this thread I earlier discussed how an SRB contributor and J. Otto Pohl’s blogged stated views can be taken by some as “anti-Semitic”. At SL, Tim Newman and perhaps even the troll (would’ve to check on the latter)lauded my opposition to commeneters who stated things that seemed to have a collectively anti-Jewish slant. Unlike the troll, I’m Jewish with rabbis on boths sides of my family tree. I’ve never renounced or hid my Jewish background and as a kid was beaten up (in the USA, not Russia) for being a “kike”. Note how the lying troll earlier “apologized” for his false suggestion of me. Shows that his “apologies” aren’t worth much.

Is it possible to stay on topic and-or at leastr get away from the personal misrepresentations?

Mike, I am quoting from your email to Ger, which I (like Andy) do not think is doctored.

What exactly did you refer to by writing “Andy’s always interfering, a real schmuckowiz” , if not Andy. Well, forget about it.

Back to the Kosovo, for those of you able to read German, or who have one of those brilliant online-translators Mike obviously has, here’s a good article by Spiegelfechter.

http://www.spiegelfechter.com/wordpress/293/totgeburt-eines-staates

Very interesting are the connections of the now “heads of state and government” in Kosovo and the organized crime. A good read.

I’ll also be delighted to give a helping hand if the online translation shouldn’t turn out good enough.

Second submission. Please excuse if duplicated.

Pardon misspell: business

Andy

Regarding your earlier media notes. ABC New NightLine didn’t cover Kosovo. The Obama-Clinton debate took some of the news thunder away from the Belgrade rioting.

Charlie Rose had on Obama adviser Samantha Power, who has a Sorosian outlook on former Yugoslavia. Same old, same old. I see her as possibly being somewhat more objective than a Holbrooke or Albright. She tends to deal more with “humanitarian” issues (at times arguably subjective in advocacy) not so related to the analytical route involving historical and political implications.

This morning’s CSPAN had on Bush foreign policy official Robert Fried, who said that American policy in Kosovo has been correct.

Watching the coverage of this issue on American television reveals a clear bias. On the Kosovo topic, someone like Lavrov is more objective than the Albrights, Rubins, Frieds and Clarks (among numerous others). This has to do with Russian policy being more even handed when compared to the official position taken by the US and some other countries.

It’s not as if there aren’t competent North American analysts who can authoritatively communicate the Serb position. Trifkovic, Jatras, Bissett, among others.

And I reiterate also that Mike is not anti-semitic. He appeared at a venue where such sympathies had been voiced, but not by Mike. Clearly he is not anti-semitic.

”Rather than acknowledging this, we see some stupid shit insulting replies about how someone’s children or grand children can say they do analytical work. ”

What are you talking about?!

”Rather than questioning one’s sexual prowess (or lack thereof)”
who asked about your sexual prowess? As I recall, more than once on threads you’ve referred to ex girlfriends and lovely Slavic girls of yours. Those who are getting some feel no need to talk about it.

”Namely, rehashing what was previously raised in a way that takes away from the subject of the discussion.”

Nobody was rehashing anything at all above. What are you talking about, exactly?

Substance: Your article at American Chronicle, aesthetics aside, is loaded on rhetoric and practially zero on fact. It fails miserably to acknowledge the most basic of parts of the story – that Serbia, who was GOVERNING Kosovo at the time, carried out genocidal acts in 1998-99 against the Muslim population. Omitting this fact or pretending its not there is just, well, weak, to say the least. Secondly, you astoundingly brush under the carpet the failure of Serbia or Srpska to hand over Karadic. I mean, are you actually joking? These are absolute pre-requisites to the acceptance of Serbia as an equal nation amoung the rest of Europe. If I was the EU, I simply wouldnt even answer Serbia’s begging for handouts until he is handed over. Thirdly -and this is hilarious – you repeatedly, with NO EVIDENCE WHATOSEVER, refer to the War Crimes Tribunal as a ‘kangaroo court’. This is simply astonishing, and you do it all the time.
Would you kindly back up that statement with FACTS, not opinions?
Fourthly, style. Mike, you may consider yourself a quality writer, but phraseoligies like ‘blah, blah, blah’ in a supposedly serious piece are simply not acceptable anywhere. You can scream ‘censorship’ all you want, but without basic writing skills you arent going to make a decent publication.
Now, without starting a tirade about trolling, could you deal with the valid points raised?

And by the way I know plenty of Hong Kongers, who I am quite certain wouldnt refer to it as a non-nation. More total ignorance.

”education level (many brilliantly successful analytical minds out there and comparatively not as well received Phds),”
Call me old fashioned, but a defended thesis is considerably weightier in terms of respect than blog articles and the odd radio appearance. Yes, I know there are some brilliant people without them out there, but clearly, they have proven themselves in their field.

My prior American Chronicle article, as well as points earlier raised at this thread soundly debunk the recent tirade of repeated misinformation.

When compared to his commentary, my points are more fact based and much better documented. Needless to say, they make far more sense.

Check a recent Robert Amsterdam thread on the Kosovo subject to see how a civil conversation is conducted.

Mike,
I put some points to you. Either answer them, or concede them. I read your article and paid attention to it, but your explanations are all too simplistic or non-existent. I’m sorry if you dont like your views being questioned, but that’s life. Shouting and roaring that the ICTY is a kangaroo court isnt good enough; back it up with facts or a link, preferably a non-propaganda site.Now, defend your article or accept the criticism.

”The involved subject matter isn’t his clear expertise and yet he restates brazenly ignorant comments, as if he knows what I said to be wrong; which isn’t the case.”

You put the article out there; expect to defend it. Thats what academics do -they publish articles then defend them, not howl ‘troll’. As I recall, you got quite a pasting at a Fistful of Euros piece about the PMR. I am by no means the first to question the validity and factuality of what you write, wont be the last, and if someone with little interest in the Balkans like me can cause you such consternation, God Knows what an expert would do.

hayate,
I’d love to read your piece, but I’m going to have to get a ‘Russglish’ translator in. Expect a reply to your paranoid nonsense when I find a Russian pre-intermediate student of english. As for finding Russian websites, its obviously all part of the training I received from MI6. See hayate, even in little Ireland, surrounded by sheep, pubs and stone walls, there are evil men like me plotting against Putin’s Russia mwahahahah!:-)

“db”

You’re mistaken. Refer to the Dayton Accord. It speaks of a clause allowing Republika Srpska to establish its own parallel relationships with other states after a four year wait from the 1995 signing. True, the Bosniak nationalists and their fronts abroad (like the “Bosnian Institute”) have succeeded in curtailing Republika Srpska’s identity. It’s also true that Republika Srpska gets dictated to by Western appointed non-Serb dictators for the entity. Then again, “independent Kosova” isn’t so independent as George Szamuley eloquently detailed in his recent Counterpunch article.

Hayate:

You might be onto something. Chris Doss and Lyndon Allin are real folks under those names. The troll is a fraud as shown by how he repeats raising the same topics that were previously responded to in great detail. When this has happened, he moves to another issue. Awhile later, he’ll bring up those earlier points as if they weren’t discussed. Anyone taking his side is either of a twisted mind, or not paying attention to his disingenuously slimey antics.

This thread has been a great lesson in cyber trolling.

Note that I took Andy’s advice of not wanting to go back to such discussion. I clearly didn’t initiate it.

I’m a genuine human being, free of the phony bullshit out there. The troll is either doing someone else’s bidding with their active support or (more likely) serving the role as a useless idiot for them. Useless in the sense that I’m showing how I don’t punk out when faced with such behavior.

The Real Story Behind Kosovo’s Independence
http://www.counterpunch.org/scahill02232008.html

1) Give Ireland Back To The Irish
2) Give Kosovo Back To The Serbians
3) Give Siberian Light Back To Andy Young

Troll on you anonymous ****. Republika Srpska is a republic in name and what I last said about it is true.

What’s your real name please? Just getting to the selective level of some others.

db’s m.o. is to selectively nitpick what someone says while not being as high strung with others, when they’re wrong on such matters as spelling.

One of his recent troll barbs dealt with Skoropadsky’s last name spelling. He didn’t come back to answer why Kenez and Brinkley spell that name as Skoropadskii. Another dealt with how a Russian web site abbreviated the name of the involved org in the English language. Both instances weren’t so analytical as they were trivial. In those situations, his troll like presentations were wrong.

The RS constitution refers to RS as a “repoublic”. Its name has reublic in it.

The non-Serb Sarajevo based Bosniak nationalist politicos and their fronts abroad can spin all they want.

I’m with Mike here on the substantive point, although not on the rest of the nonsense he is spewing out at the moment about trolls and the like.

Commonly today Republics are states, with all of the baggage that comes with statehood – particularly sovereignty.

But, equally, Republics can be sub-state bodies, which is what Republika Srpska is today, in my view. Similarly to Soviet Republics or, perhaps, even US states today.

Having said that, whether Republika Srpska fits the definition of a republic or not is really neither here nor there. It is a member of the Bosnian Federation, and has signed up to abide by the rules governing that Federation until such time as it leaves.

By the way – I haven’t had time to check the constitution – is there provision within the for the either of the two constituent members of the Bosnian Federation to leave legally?

Vsei: ya znayu moi russkii ochen plokho! Prosti menya!:-)

I gather you won’t mind if Wales and Scotland decide to break away. The latter being the more likely of the two. In any event, I don’t believe that Scotland has been considered the birth place of England.

Well, clearly the best solution to all the world’s ills would be for the British Empire to be resurrected and allowed to stand astride the entire globe like a mightly colossus. But, failing that…

If the Welsh & Scots feel that independence from the UK is in their best interests, then that’s what they should have. I, and most in England, wouldn’t dream of trying to stop them.

I’m personally not convinced that independence would necessarily be in the interests of either Scotland or Wales – particularly in the economic sense. I’ve an open mind though, and am ready to be convinced.

You’re right – Scotland isn’t the historic birthplace of England but, even if it were, the above should surely still stand. What happened hundreds of years ago should be of no direct relevance today. Historic birthplaces are one of those daft arguments that get brought out when people can’t think of anything rational to say.

Rather like religion… 😉

Well Andy …

1) “Nationality” is a side effect of a thing called “place of birth”. So being an Englishman is actually not your fault. But I admit, and I am delighted to do so, you are a member of the very rare species called “Nice Englishman” 😉

2) As to your statement being “Pro Kosovo Independence” … well, nobody is perfect. 😉

3) As to you agreement on point #3 … here’s my suggestion.

Let’s install UNMISL (United Nations Mission in Siberian Light), let’s deploy SLSFOR (Siberian Light Stabilisation Force) and start negotiations regarding the partial independence of “TBFKASL – POBMA” (The Blog Formerly Know As Siberial Light – Presently Occupied By Mike Averko).

Will you accept German Peacekeepers or shall I contact my Russian friends to send a bunch of Desantniki ? In case you should be catholic, I could also ask for the Papal Swiss Guard (remember: the pope is German). But Benedict presently has only 110 men at his disposition. Might not be enough.

Well, you are probably not a Muslim, so sending a buch of Mudjaheddin wouldn’t be a good idea. Neither would be sending the Srpska Prva Armija.

The peace talks could take place in Paris, I know quite a few nice places there.

The Schindler troll strikes again with nonsense.

That’s: misrepresentative.

Thanks Andy for contributing in a purely on topic manner in your last post. Note my disagreeing with you, while lauding that kind of discourse.

Regarding a recent swet of comments:

If there was a genocide in Kosovo, it has been against the non-Albanian population. The Serbs were far less brutal than the Turks against Kurds, Iraqi Arabs against Kurds and Russians against Chechens. Note that the Albanians are far from virtuous.

”What was the rush to push this agenda given how greater time has been allowed on the Northern Ireland”

Groan. The reason there wasnt a settlement in NI was that they were knocking the shit out of each other for 30 years beforehand and decided, wisely, that it was going nowhere. If you’re going to make comparisons, please make relevant ones. NI is in no way comparable to Kosovo, as I’ve explained above. And I wish you’d leave Ireland out of it. Its obvious you havent a clue beyond drinking the odd pint of Guinness. Kvatit, pazhaluista, it burns my eyes!

The point about NI is that there was no rush to judgement. Same with Cyprus. Kowtowing to Albanian nationalist terrorism is a cowardly route to follow.

Andy, Ger … sorry for bringing in Ireland … can we switch to “Gibraltar” please ?

”The last 100 year demographic change in Kosovo is due in good measure to terrorism against non-Albanians”

On that logic, should Dublin tell the Brits to move the 1.2 million Ulster Scots home so we can have Belfast back? NI was quite clearly stolen 800 years ago. But that was then, this is now.

”Andy, Ger … sorry for bringing in Ireland … can we switch to “Gibraltar” please ?”
No need to apologise at all Heribert – I’m actually trying to use Ireland as an example myself. I’m not in anyway nationalist, and I’d say Andy isnt bothered really either. Thankfully its not a contentious subject for the two countries really anymore.

”The Serbs were far less brutal than the Turks against Kurds, Iraqi Arabs against Kurds and Russians against Chechens. Note that the Albanians are far from virtuous.”

Thats all relative and not relevant. Genocide is genocide, end of story. And whilst it is absolutely true that the Kosovar Albanians are guilty too, Serbia was the governing nation and they kicked it off.

”As of now, Kosovo isn’t capable of carrying on like a truly independent nation.”
That’s true, but Serbia, quite rightly, should not be allowed to govern it.

It is a member of the Bosnian Federation …

Andy,

Just to avoid further confusion, the whole thing is called simply Bosnia and Herzegovina. It consists of two so-called “entities” with rather limited autonomy and misleading names: the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Republika Srpska. And no, I don’t think that constitutional status of those entities is a trivial matter, especially if one bills himself a Balkan analyst.

Ger,

You can call me ??.

Andy

“db” is a troll, who was unable to refute the stated manner of Republika Srpska’s formation in 1995 and the fact that RS’s constitution calls itself a republic – in addition to RS having the word “republic” in its name. Once again, the Bosniak nationalists in Sarajevo have been trying to eliminate RS altogether. The selective citing of some sources can be misrepresentative. “db” continues to show limited analytical abilities. He/she covers this up by raising nit picking points in a selective way in terms of who he/she targets.

The other troll deceitfully babbles on about matter he’s not so knowledgeable of. For whatever one might think of some (stress some) of Hayate’s views, he has these trolls down pat. Like how the troll continues to overlook prior points and misreprsenting what was said.

In the year and a half of Kosovo fighting prior to NATO’s bombing campaign, roughly 2 thousand were killed out of a 2 million Kosovo population. About 500 of those killed were Serbs, who at the time were said to be 10% of Kosovo’s population. Per capita wise, this means the Serbs were the greater victims. Furthermore, many of the Albanians killed during that period were those who showed a willingness to work within the existing Serb/Yugo structures. BTW, I was forwarded data confirming the view that the mentioned year and a half Kosovo casualty figure is on par and perhaps less the murder rate in some American urban areas like Washington DC.

How many have died since the American led 2003 attack on Iraq? Is that “genocide”? Once again, note how the troll skirted the previously mentioned way the Kurds were treated under Turkish and Arab Iraqi rule. Definitely worse than what the Serbs could be legitimately accused of doing to the Albanians. Once gain noting how the Albanians are far from virtuous.

Given the way the Kosovo demographics have changed and that land’s overall history other disputed territories: it’s faulty to have granted it independence on short notice and without full international approval. When it comes to a territory like Kosovo, taking the part of a whole and treating that part as separate from the whole is problematical in terms of how other borders could be changed.

You earlier stated how the economics regarding independence should be considered as a possible factor. On that and oher points, Kosovo isn’t really independent.

In summation:

– Albanians persecuted non-Albanians in Kosovo

– The last 100 year demographic change in Kosovo is due in good measure to terrorism against non-Albanians

– UNSC 1244 clearly recognizes Kosovo as a continued part of Serbia

– Support for Kosovo independence is based on faulty premises

“GER O’BRIEN Says:
February 25th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
db

I will do that. Spasibo:-)”

****

Chris Doss’ pals no doubt. We saw how he cowardly left the SL threads after making a series of repeated 100% troll posts.

That’s: Sympathty

URA! Ireland won an Oscar, with considerable help from the Czech Republic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzQRuTwaFI8

In basketball, some call it an in yo face monster jam. The closest boxing variant is a TKO.

Getting to the troll level (since it’s being tolerated and should be shown for its fraudulent manner), what’s db’s actual name? What formal posted/published commentary on SL related topic does he/she have?

Mike,

you simply replied to the points I raised by repeating yourself!:-) Great debating!:-)
Get thee to our local university or polytechnic for postgraduate studies. In the four years I have taught students, not even first years (Freshmen?) would counteract an argument by simply repeating what they’d already said.

”In basketball, some call it an in yo face monster jam. The closest boxing variant is a TKO.”

You mean the fact that you’ve been pasted again here (just like at SRB, GV, FFOE, Ukraine.com)? In hurling, the greatest sport on earth, we would call it ”beaten out the gate”
Give it a rest Mike. You arent fooling anyone.

Edit from last post:

He has yet to show his worth in terms of posting a solo written non-blog aricle in the area of his claimed expertise; which is in an unrelated field to the SL discussed topics.

Prove it troll!

In any event, it’s unrelated to the SL discussed matter.

From top to bottom in addition to other threads, it’s quite clear that I’m not a troll.

The troll initiating repeated abuse has the gall to claim getting abused.

There he goes again with lies and getting off topic, while misrepresenting my request to see a link of a solo non-blog written piece of his in the purported field of his expertise. Not that I really care to know, seeing how it’s unrelated to SL discussed topics and I’m not terribly interested in his apparently miserable existence. I only mention it because he abusurdly brought that matter up here.

It’s a shame that creeps like him corrupt otherwise fine venues.

This troll repeated an earlier false claim of a certain site being “clearly” anti-Semitic. In doing so, he glossed over how the very same claim could be applied to other sites on pretty much the same grounds.

Liar. You brought it up and I asked for the goods. You haven’t delivered.

Now, he discusses someone’s physical characteristic. Much like how he has said that “Lavelle is hard on the eyes”. A great scholarly attempt for a trolling freak.

I’m the loser? Vis-a-vis SL related topics, I’ve achieved things of worthyness, which he hasn’t come close to matching.

”Liar. You brought it up and I asked for the goods. You haven’t delivered”

http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2006/nd/663-healy.html

Scandal and government report:

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=Dalton+Report%2Bgreyhounds%2BEPO%2BGer+Clancy&btnG=Search&meta=

Media publication of scandal and parliament questions:

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Dalton+Report%2Bgreyhounds%2BEPO%2BOireachtas&spell=1

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=Dalton+Report%2Bgreyhounds%2BEPO&btnG=Search&meta=
There’s piles of stuff to dig through, and its complicated by non-doping issues, but basically, when we found some positive samples for EPO (having developed ourselves a technique to find it in the first place), our authorities wanted to keep it quiet(it would be extremely bad press, but of course I was horrified, and was worried I wouldnt be able to publish the scientific paper at all cos of censure), but it all exploded when our CEO was fired for something unrelated. It was the first time recombinant (synthetic) erythropoietin was found in an animal athlete(horse or hound) in the world. They were mad times, and I had to give evidence for the government report, had to resist newspapers and radios for interviews, even though I’d only scientific involvement, and we usually are totally in the background. It also gutted the organisation at large -a lot of people lost their jobs, as Dublin totally took control. I often still have nightmares over it. People who had nothing to do with it, some with big mortgages, were gone. I must have went to ten leaving parties in the six months after the report was published, and got totally drunk at all of them.

”“Making toupes”? I’m not a phony and much unlike yourself, I’ve revealed what’s SL pertinent.”

I take that back -it wasnt a nice thing to say, sorry. And yes, I know, the info above aint relevant, but you did ask for it. And its an interesting story -you couldnt dream up some of the intrigue in anti-doping. And as all of this has long since been made public, I can talk about it.
I decided to try and blog again, so if anyone’s interested:

http://dopingchemistry.wordpress.com/

I wasnt going to mention it till I had a bit more done, but any visits would be most welcome(sorry for the shameless advertising Andy)

OK – enough. The quote below is pulled from the Wikipedia page on trolls.

Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning “Please do not feed the troll”.

Generally, I’m pretty easy going about how discussions pan out here.

I like you disucussing substantive issues. I don’t mind discussions about people’s previously published works and critiques of that work, although I could probably do without them. I don’t even mind the odd heated argument, provided it’s about something interesting, and tempers are held more or less in check.

But this has gone beyond the pale.

Ger took things too far earlier on, but at least had the good grace to apologise and has toned things down a bit since then.

Mike is continuing to take things too far. This discussion was effectively over when I posted about you all rehashing the same issues back on 22 Feb but Mike is continuing to bring the same issues up, and is continually resorting to simple insults – calling people liar, or troll, etc. (I count 168 uses of the word troll on this page alone, the vast majority of which come from Mike).

If you can’t hold a civil debate and refrain from calling each other names then, frankly, your comments add no value to this blog.

So, from this point on, any comment I deem to be offensive, or to be picking a needless argument will be either deleted or heavily edited.

If I need to edit more than a couple of comments, I’m going to block that person from commenting at Siberian Light.

That’s: related