Comments on: Henry Kissinger in talks with Putin http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/ The Russia Blog Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:11:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael Averko http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4908 Michael Averko Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:38:09 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4908 On Primakov and his Jewish background (since it was inappropriately raised), he has been known as an "Arabist". For that matter, a number of Israelis and non-Israeli Jews feel that Kissinger has been biased against Israel. Having a Machiavellian/Bismarckian view of history and politics isn't in itself wrong. One can subscribe to that stance, while being in disagreement with Kissinger. Much like how socialists or any other school of thinking can have disagreements from within. The nice thing about a sound Machiavellian/Bismarckian view of the world is that it overrides the bogus idealistic bullshit used as a smoke screen. A case in point being those who use human rights as a propaganda tool by highlighting abuses in countries whose foreign policy runs contrary to what some like, while simultaneously being soft with human rights abusers whose foreign policy isn't seen as so disagreeable. On Primakov and his Jewish background (since it was inappropriately raised), he has been known as an “Arabist”. For that matter, a number of Israelis and non-Israeli Jews feel that Kissinger has been biased against Israel.

Having a Machiavellian/Bismarckian view of history and politics isn’t in itself wrong. One can subscribe to that stance, while being in disagreement with Kissinger. Much like how socialists or any other school of thinking can have disagreements from within.

The nice thing about a sound Machiavellian/Bismarckian view of the world is that it overrides the bogus idealistic bullshit used as a smoke screen. A case in point being those who use human rights as a propaganda tool by highlighting abuses in countries whose foreign policy runs contrary to what some like, while simultaneously being soft with human rights abusers whose foreign policy isn’t seen as so disagreeable.

]]> By: Aleks http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4907 Aleks Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:51:40 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4907 One a side note, for all the 'Dove' status that Carter is afforded, he killed the B1-A program (an expensive and obsolete boondoggle that it was) and heavily invested in many new generation ICBMs which the Soviets certainly didn't miss. As Michael Caine said 'Not a lot of people know that'... Ger, I agree with you and Mike, and that is exactly why Kissinger is 'appropriate'. Kissinger is exactly the kind of guy the Russians (understand and can)get on with! Old Skool... One a side note, for all the ‘Dove’ status that Carter is afforded, he killed the B1-A program (an expensive and obsolete boondoggle that it was) and heavily invested in many new generation ICBMs which the Soviets certainly didn’t miss. As Michael Caine said ‘Not a lot of people know that’…

Ger, I agree with you and Mike, and that is exactly why Kissinger is ‘appropriate’. Kissinger is exactly the kind of guy the Russians (understand and can)get on with! Old Skool…

]]> By: GER O'BRIEN http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4906 GER O'BRIEN Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:42:04 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4906 Tim, I never thought I'd say it either, but Mike is dead right about Henry Kissinger -if anything Mike is being too kind on the guy - and I'm quite suprised at the fact that he's even being used by the US goverment these days. What about Paris, Cambodia? This guy was a monster, drenched in blood. And Mike's description 'Machiavellian' is spot on. Tim,

I never thought I’d say it either, but Mike is dead right about Henry Kissinger -if anything Mike is being too kind on the guy – and I’m quite suprised at the fact that he’s even being used by the US goverment these days. What about Paris, Cambodia? This guy was a monster, drenched in blood. And Mike’s description ‘Machiavellian’ is spot on.

]]> By: Michael Averko http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4905 Michael Averko Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:46:22 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4905 Paging Ethan Burger. He deserves that one Andy and then some. Paging Ethan Burger.

He deserves that one Andy and then some.

]]> By: Tim Newman http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4904 Tim Newman Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:38:25 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4904 One’s ethno/religious background isn’t related to this subject.

I never thought I’d ever say this, but Mike Averko is bang on with this. Conspiracy theories regarding world events being controlled by a shadowy cabal of Jews should be treated with nothing but contempt.

]]> By: Michael Averko http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4903 Michael Averko Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:54:52 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4903 Jack: The record here shows that you brought up the Jewish background of some in a way suggesting that it substantively relates to the meeting. I did in fact post comments noting Kissinger's less than stellar performance and how others view him. I'll redirect a question of yours back to you: Wha planet are you residing? Jack:

The record here shows that you brought up the Jewish background of some in a way suggesting that it substantively relates to the meeting.

I did in fact post comments noting Kissinger’s less than stellar performance and how others view him.

I’ll redirect a question of yours back to you: Wha planet are you residing?

]]> By: bob king http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4902 bob king Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:19:08 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4902 Kissinger???? paris negotiations kissinger?? kissinger???, the tough guy that picks up his marbles and goes home when nobody will play his game by his rules???....I've got to quit thinking our government has learned anything from history and our failures. it's time to dig fallout shelters again folks...cause kissinger will have putin so pissed off, no tellin what he'll do..either build a new fallout shelter or find out where bush's is...join his ass there. Kissinger???? paris negotiations kissinger?? kissinger???, the tough guy that picks up his marbles and goes home when nobody will play his game by his rules???….I’ve got to quit thinking our government has learned anything from history and our failures. it’s time to dig fallout shelters again folks…cause kissinger will have putin so pissed off, no tellin what he’ll do..either build a new fallout shelter or find out where bush’s is…join his ass there.

]]> By: Hank http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4901 Hank Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:26:01 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4901 I have listened to interviews of Kissinger over the past year, and he frankly sounds a bit out of touch with reality. His leading a U.S. delegation, even if it is not a formal mission, worries me. Who speaks for our country these days? Why doesn't our Secretary fo State deal with someone as important as Putin? And why is there an oil company executive in the group? I suspect that these people are up to no good; some day we'll find out who is getting screwed and who is getting sold out. I have listened to interviews of Kissinger over the past year, and he frankly sounds a bit out of touch with reality. His leading a U.S. delegation, even if it is not a formal mission, worries me. Who speaks for our country these days? Why doesn’t our Secretary fo State deal with someone as important as Putin? And why is there an oil company executive in the group? I suspect that these people are up to no good; some day we’ll find out who is getting screwed and who is getting sold out.

]]> By: Jack http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4900 Jack Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:11:09 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4900 Michael Averko gets a C- for dancing around my question:

“Does anybody believe that this cadre of clowns is acting on the best interest of the US ?”

You have another chance to improve your score.

As for your “One’s ethno/religious background isn’t related to this subject.”

Oh, how refreshing to hear this. And what planet are you residing ?

Jack

]]> By: Michael Averko http://siberianlight.net/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/comment-page-1/#comment-4899 Michael Averko Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:03:44 +0000 http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/#comment-4899 Kissinger isn't a neocon. He's a Bismarckian/Machiavellian tactician, reflecting a view of the world which contrasts from the somewhat idealistic foreign policy perspective of the neocons.That Kissinger might've some agreement with the neocons doesn't make him one. On the former Yugoslavia and former USSR, the neocons and George Soros funded neoliberals seem to be in general agreement. On other issues like Iraq, their views differ with each other. Primkaov has his good points. IMO, he's being relied on a bit too heavily when it comes to providing Russian foreign policy perspectives. One's ethno/religious background isn't related to this subject. Kissinger isn’t a neocon. He’s a Bismarckian/Machiavellian tactician, reflecting a view of the world which contrasts from the somewhat idealistic foreign policy perspective of the neocons.That Kissinger might’ve some agreement with the neocons doesn’t make him one.

On the former Yugoslavia and former USSR, the neocons and George Soros funded neoliberals seem to be in general agreement. On other issues like Iraq, their views differ with each other.

Primkaov has his good points. IMO, he’s being relied on a bit too heavily when it comes to providing Russian foreign policy perspectives.

One’s ethno/religious background isn’t related to this subject.

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