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		<title>By: ilir</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>ilir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Albanian language was more widely spoked in ballkan from the era of george Skanderbeg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albanian language was more widely spoked in ballkan from the era of george Skanderbeg.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Rostrom</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Rostrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russian&#039;s spread is the result of Russian colonizing in various eras. For instance, in the 18th and 19th centuries, Russia conquered Crimea from Turkey, and settled Russian peasants in what had been occupied by Tatar nomads. In 1945, the USSR seized half of Prussia, expelled those Germans that had not already fled, and settled Russians there.

Germany had an even wider spread before WW II. German was spoken in Germany, Austria, Romania, Italy, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Poland, the Baltic states, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, and the USSR. It is still found in the first seven; and there are remnants of the old &quot;Volga German&quot; population in Russia today. The eastern spread of German was due to colonizing in the Middle Ages, and later to settlements of German craftsmen sponsored by local rulers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russian&#8217;s spread is the result of Russian colonizing in various eras. For instance, in the 18th and 19th centuries, Russia conquered Crimea from Turkey, and settled Russian peasants in what had been occupied by Tatar nomads. In 1945, the USSR seized half of Prussia, expelled those Germans that had not already fled, and settled Russians there.</p>
<p>Germany had an even wider spread before WW II. German was spoken in Germany, Austria, Romania, Italy, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Poland, the Baltic states, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, and the USSR. It is still found in the first seven; and there are remnants of the old &#8220;Volga German&#8221; population in Russia today. The eastern spread of German was due to colonizing in the Middle Ages, and later to settlements of German craftsmen sponsored by local rulers.</p>
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		<title>By: tara</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some observations on Romania&#039;s native languages. This map obviously got it wrong in many respects: first, in real life there&#039;s no distriction between Romanian and Moldovan, second, there is definitely no reason for those green patches in the north of the country, as the number of speakers of Russian and Ukrainian over there is truly negligible, and moreover, they are not native, and (third) the same could be said about the pink German speaking spots in the middle of the country, probably trying to represent the German-speaking populations that were settled there in the 14-15th century, nowadays rather scarce. Fourth, the Hungarian-speakers living in that yellow coloured spot in the center of the country (where they arrived only in the 11-12th century) actually speak a dialect quite different from Hungarian-proper. And I could add some more. Anyway, your count to six native languages is wrong.

But the point is that one should be proud of the cultural and linguistic heritage of a country and cherish it, and not try to draw borders where there aren&#039;t any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some observations on Romania&#8217;s native languages. This map obviously got it wrong in many respects: first, in real life there&#8217;s no distriction between Romanian and Moldovan, second, there is definitely no reason for those green patches in the north of the country, as the number of speakers of Russian and Ukrainian over there is truly negligible, and moreover, they are not native, and (third) the same could be said about the pink German speaking spots in the middle of the country, probably trying to represent the German-speaking populations that were settled there in the 14-15th century, nowadays rather scarce. Fourth, the Hungarian-speakers living in that yellow coloured spot in the center of the country (where they arrived only in the 11-12th century) actually speak a dialect quite different from Hungarian-proper. And I could add some more. Anyway, your count to six native languages is wrong.</p>
<p>But the point is that one should be proud of the cultural and linguistic heritage of a country and cherish it, and not try to draw borders where there aren&#8217;t any.</p>
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		<title>By: abecedario</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>abecedario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fascinating. What about the arbeito-luganegal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fascinating. What about the arbeito-luganegal?</p>
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		<title>By: Randy McDonald</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth noting that the map works only as a depiction of historical language diversity in Europe, not the present situation on the ground.

The territory around the Russian city of Vyborg, for instance, hasn&#039;t been mostly Fennophone since the drawing of the 1945 border that assigned most of Finnish Karelia to the then-Soviet Union. Elsewhere, Flemish, Alsatian and Catalan in France are in full retreat, Irish is given a much larger territory as a majority language than is the actual case, and both Russia&#039;s Ivangorod and Estonia&#039;s Ida-Viru county are shown as mostly Estophone, not Russophone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that the map works only as a depiction of historical language diversity in Europe, not the present situation on the ground.</p>
<p>The territory around the Russian city of Vyborg, for instance, hasn&#8217;t been mostly Fennophone since the drawing of the 1945 border that assigned most of Finnish Karelia to the then-Soviet Union. Elsewhere, Flemish, Alsatian and Catalan in France are in full retreat, Irish is given a much larger territory as a majority language than is the actual case, and both Russia&#8217;s Ivangorod and Estonia&#8217;s Ida-Viru county are shown as mostly Estophone, not Russophone.</p>
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		<title>By: Hektor Bim</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Hektor Bim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are talking about is language families, in many cases.  There are a number of distinct languages in Spain, for example: Castilian, Basque, Catalan, Galician, Aragonese.

France has plenty as well: French, Dutch, German (several different dialects from Alsatian to Franconian), Provencal, Catalan, Basque, Breton, Walloon, etc.

The linguistic diversity of Russia is an after-effect of its imperial history and its conquest of the Caucasus, where Dagestan, for example, has something like six official languages of its own.

Tatar linguistic and cultural pride is on the increase, but Russia requires them to write in the Cyrillic alphabet, which is deeply resented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are talking about is language families, in many cases.  There are a number of distinct languages in Spain, for example: Castilian, Basque, Catalan, Galician, Aragonese.</p>
<p>France has plenty as well: French, Dutch, German (several different dialects from Alsatian to Franconian), Provencal, Catalan, Basque, Breton, Walloon, etc.</p>
<p>The linguistic diversity of Russia is an after-effect of its imperial history and its conquest of the Caucasus, where Dagestan, for example, has something like six official languages of its own.</p>
<p>Tatar linguistic and cultural pride is on the increase, but Russia requires them to write in the Cyrillic alphabet, which is deeply resented.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitri Minaev</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitri Minaev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not about to argue with Goble, even though his articles often contradict what an average man in the street (me) sees. Just two observations:

1. I&#039;ve got four books on Komi language. They were published in 1949, 1955, 1992 and in 2005.

2. While living in the USSR, I never heard so many people speaking Tatar in the streets. No idea why it was not popular in the Soviet times. I think that the Tatars were ashamed of their own language. Now, there are Tatar newspapers and TV broadcasting in the Tatar language. And you know what? People began speaking Tatar openly.

PS: I wanted to make some pictures when I visited this year&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabantuy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sabantuy&lt;/a&gt;. Unfortunately, the batteries in the camera drained when they were most needed, as usual...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not about to argue with Goble, even though his articles often contradict what an average man in the street (me) sees. Just two observations:</p>
<p>1. I&#8217;ve got four books on Komi language. They were published in 1949, 1955, 1992 and in 2005.</p>
<p>2. While living in the USSR, I never heard so many people speaking Tatar in the streets. No idea why it was not popular in the Soviet times. I think that the Tatars were ashamed of their own language. Now, there are Tatar newspapers and TV broadcasting in the Tatar language. And you know what? People began speaking Tatar openly.</p>
<p>PS: I wanted to make some pictures when I visited this year&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabantuy" rel="nofollow">Sabantuy</a>. Unfortunately, the batteries in the camera drained when they were most needed, as usual&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mait</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Mait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not good times for small languagues in RF, though. The small blotches of yellow on that map are dwindling rapidly. Despite the government&#039;s new rhetoric on preservation of Finno-Ugric cultures there is no real work done on saving them.

Paul Goble wrote a good article about one such case:
http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2008/02/window-on-eurasia-russian-capitalists.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not good times for small languagues in RF, though. The small blotches of yellow on that map are dwindling rapidly. Despite the government&#8217;s new rhetoric on preservation of Finno-Ugric cultures there is no real work done on saving them.</p>
<p>Paul Goble wrote a good article about one such case:<br />
<a href="http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2008/02/window-on-eurasia-russian-capitalists.html" rel="nofollow">http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2008/02/window-on-eurasia-russian-capitalists.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - I think for Russia they&#039;ve grouped language types together - for example, they&#039;ve got Caucasian, Turkic and Mongolic.

Perhaps its because the map&#039;s compilers thought that if they showed every single language in Russia the map would became so complex and colourful that it would just make people&#039;s eyeballs explode..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; I think for Russia they&#8217;ve grouped language types together &#8211; for example, they&#8217;ve got Caucasian, Turkic and Mongolic.</p>
<p>Perhaps its because the map&#8217;s compilers thought that if they showed every single language in Russia the map would became so complex and colourful that it would just make people&#8217;s eyeballs explode..</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitri Minaev</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/europes-language-map/comment-page-1/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitri Minaev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eight??? Er, well... No time for googling, so here are those that spring to mind right now: Karelian, Komi, Veps, Sami (4 dialects), Mordovian, Mari (two of them, actually, Moksha and Erzya), Udmurt, Chuvash, Tatar, Bashkir, Kalmyk, Adyg, Chechen, Ossetian, a dozen or more of languages spoken in Dagestan (Lezgi, Lak, Avar...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eight??? Er, well&#8230; No time for googling, so here are those that spring to mind right now: Karelian, Komi, Veps, Sami (4 dialects), Mordovian, Mari (two of them, actually, Moksha and Erzya), Udmurt, Chuvash, Tatar, Bashkir, Kalmyk, Adyg, Chechen, Ossetian, a dozen or more of languages spoken in Dagestan (Lezgi, Lak, Avar&#8230;)</p>
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