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		<title>By: Garzukhal</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/eu-elephant-russian-bear/comment-page-1/#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator>Garzukhal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest enemy of Europe&#039;s denizens is not Russia or it&#039;s unreliable gas supply but the EU itself.

The article makes clear the EU is disunited. The EU, after all, is 27 nations, some of them powerful and economically independent. This makes a common plan for the EU impossible as the member states are used to acting according to their own interests and desires.

The EU&#039;s answer to this disunity is soft genocide. The EU, like the Bolsheviks, regard nationality as reactionary and a bulwark to &quot;historical progress&quot;. One of the most savage manifestations of this Bolshevik ideology was the Ukraine famine - an attempt to destroy Ukrainian national consciousness and subsequently Sovietize the Ukraine region.* The EU, by contrast, instead of using the open aggression of famine opts for &quot;soft-power&quot; - bureaucratic usurpation of national governments to promote the semi-hidden agenda of the EU. It&#039;s program basically consists of this:

1. Promote a liberal culture of death: Abortion, illegitimacy, homosexualism, euthanasia.

2. Repudiation of national tradition as a result of the above.

3. Islamise the entire continent with indiscriminate immigration from North Africa and Asia and criminalise opposition to this.

The end result will be deletion of the Europe&#039;s Christian nations. And then Europe will be unified.

The Bolsheviks or the Nazis could never succeed with their plans because they were so openly aggressive, so obviously anti-human, that their programs naturally incurred opposition. The EU stands a good chance of success because it has a false aura of civilised respectability and legitimacy.

* This practically amounted to the Russification of the Ukraine region which causes trouble to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest enemy of Europe&#8217;s denizens is not Russia or it&#8217;s unreliable gas supply but the EU itself.</p>
<p>The article makes clear the EU is disunited. The EU, after all, is 27 nations, some of them powerful and economically independent. This makes a common plan for the EU impossible as the member states are used to acting according to their own interests and desires.</p>
<p>The EU&#8217;s answer to this disunity is soft genocide. The EU, like the Bolsheviks, regard nationality as reactionary and a bulwark to &#8220;historical progress&#8221;. One of the most savage manifestations of this Bolshevik ideology was the Ukraine famine &#8211; an attempt to destroy Ukrainian national consciousness and subsequently Sovietize the Ukraine region.* The EU, by contrast, instead of using the open aggression of famine opts for &#8220;soft-power&#8221; &#8211; bureaucratic usurpation of national governments to promote the semi-hidden agenda of the EU. It&#8217;s program basically consists of this:</p>
<p>1. Promote a liberal culture of death: Abortion, illegitimacy, homosexualism, euthanasia.</p>
<p>2. Repudiation of national tradition as a result of the above.</p>
<p>3. Islamise the entire continent with indiscriminate immigration from North Africa and Asia and criminalise opposition to this.</p>
<p>The end result will be deletion of the Europe&#8217;s Christian nations. And then Europe will be unified.</p>
<p>The Bolsheviks or the Nazis could never succeed with their plans because they were so openly aggressive, so obviously anti-human, that their programs naturally incurred opposition. The EU stands a good chance of success because it has a false aura of civilised respectability and legitimacy.</p>
<p>* This practically amounted to the Russification of the Ukraine region which causes trouble to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Borg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Borg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The larger EU countries, France, Germany, Italy but strangely enough not Britain ( including David Cameron who unlike David Miliband is English)  have recognised the importance of Russia as a huge market, as a country of immense resources and as European and Christian country.  They think that just as France and Germany have overcome centuries of warfare countries like Poland should make the same kind of effort which they themselves did.

These larger countries are highly suspicious of American interference in European affairs often hiding behind a NATO facade and American efforts to diminish EU power through for example trying to push the Islamic veil-wearing Turks into Europe. They also sniff at the  hip-hop, trash TV, celeb-infested American culture ( extending even  to their presidential elections) being thrown at Europe and most of all are angry at the damage which the twin evils of American Greed and AmerIcan Political Correctness have done to their economies. And are aghast at the enormous power which a tiny clique of people in finance and in the media have over the US.

The larger European countries are aware that they can develop their own interests in spite of the Baltic states and Poland. The odd man out is Britain which they recognise as being America&#039;s poodle and within America the poodle of the same financial/media clique referred to earlier.

(The American import of Political Correctness is very strong in Britain where the temporary Polish immigrants, found out that despite being educated, often professionally,  young, good-looking, with no criminal records and willing to take factory jobs which uneducated British youth would scoff at, they were unfairly blamed fo the surge in immigration, when the largest body of immigrants by far, legal or illegal, were Muslims and Africans, mostly uneducated with tribes for families,  quite a few of whom were criminals and some of whom were actually plotting to blow them up, )

It is not a case of Russia &quot;cleverly exploiting European divisions&quot;. It is merely the case of  recognising the strength of underlying mutual interests and disregarding America&#039;s poodles when trying to develop those interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The larger EU countries, France, Germany, Italy but strangely enough not Britain ( including David Cameron who unlike David Miliband is English)  have recognised the importance of Russia as a huge market, as a country of immense resources and as European and Christian country.  They think that just as France and Germany have overcome centuries of warfare countries like Poland should make the same kind of effort which they themselves did.</p>
<p>These larger countries are highly suspicious of American interference in European affairs often hiding behind a NATO facade and American efforts to diminish EU power through for example trying to push the Islamic veil-wearing Turks into Europe. They also sniff at the  hip-hop, trash TV, celeb-infested American culture ( extending even  to their presidential elections) being thrown at Europe and most of all are angry at the damage which the twin evils of American Greed and AmerIcan Political Correctness have done to their economies. And are aghast at the enormous power which a tiny clique of people in finance and in the media have over the US.</p>
<p>The larger European countries are aware that they can develop their own interests in spite of the Baltic states and Poland. The odd man out is Britain which they recognise as being America&#8217;s poodle and within America the poodle of the same financial/media clique referred to earlier.</p>
<p>(The American import of Political Correctness is very strong in Britain where the temporary Polish immigrants, found out that despite being educated, often professionally,  young, good-looking, with no criminal records and willing to take factory jobs which uneducated British youth would scoff at, they were unfairly blamed fo the surge in immigration, when the largest body of immigrants by far, legal or illegal, were Muslims and Africans, mostly uneducated with tribes for families,  quite a few of whom were criminals and some of whom were actually plotting to blow them up, )</p>
<p>It is not a case of Russia &#8220;cleverly exploiting European divisions&#8221;. It is merely the case of  recognising the strength of underlying mutual interests and disregarding America&#8217;s poodles when trying to develop those interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Surely the development of strong relations with its neighbours must be one of the EU’s most important common interests?&#8221;</p>
<p>This assumes that individual countries within the EU actually have common interests with respect to those neighbors. They don&#8217;t even have common interests with respect to each other. Look at the insane hostility Poland has toward Germany, for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I question the notion that the EU should have a single policy on anything or become united around anything at all, except in cases of clear common interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely the development of strong relations with its neighbours must be one of the EU&#8217;s most important common interests? The EU is not only an economic bloc, rather it seeks to forge lasting commercial, diplomatic and humanitarian links with all its neighbours, Russia included. In order for it to do so there must be some sort of agreement reached regarding its relationship with exterior powers, so that coherent policies can be adopted.</p>
<p>With regards to Russia, I fully agree with Andy&#8217;s article. By sending out consistently incoherent messages the E.U. does neither Russia nor itself any favours; both become involved in a strategic game as they try to consolidate programs, but since neither is sure of the other&#8217;s position, decisive resolution of problems is blurred.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s high time the E.U. decides how it hopes to develop future relations with Russia.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Katie´s last blog post..<a href="http://newsfromtheeastern.blogspot.com/2008/12/photo-igor-miukhin-its-not-all-doom-and.html" rel="nofollow">Miss Constitution</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I question the notion that the EU should have a single policy on anything or become united around anything at all, except in cases of clear common interest. It is not a state. It is an economic bloc composed of states. Why should Spain care at all about the provincial preoccupations of Latvia, or vice versa?

Moreover, while I can if I stretch my imagination imagine a scenario in which Russia poses a threat to Latvia, it requires me to enter the realm of speculative science fiction to imagine it menacing Germany, unless by &quot;menace&quot; one means &quot;not sell gas at prices Germany likes.&quot; Using this logic the world&#039;s agricultural producers should unite against the grave menace posed by France&#039;s subsidies to its farmers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I question the notion that the EU should have a single policy on anything or become united around anything at all, except in cases of clear common interest. It is not a state. It is an economic bloc composed of states. Why should Spain care at all about the provincial preoccupations of Latvia, or vice versa?</p>
<p>Moreover, while I can if I stretch my imagination imagine a scenario in which Russia poses a threat to Latvia, it requires me to enter the realm of speculative science fiction to imagine it menacing Germany, unless by &#8220;menace&#8221; one means &#8220;not sell gas at prices Germany likes.&#8221; Using this logic the world&#8217;s agricultural producers should unite against the grave menace posed by France&#8217;s subsidies to its farmers.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True &#8211; I was probably exaggerating a bit there in search of an dramatic turn of phrase.</p>
<p>But the EU traditionally responds extremely slowly, and not very well to international crises.  And Sarkozy, for all his bluster and grandstanding, wasn&#8217;t a particularly good mediator.</p>
<p>I would imagine that Medvedev and Putin would have felt pretty pleased with the way things went, when the EU sat down to hold what they had us believe was a crisis summit and only managed to observe that relations were at a &#8220;crossroads&#8221;.</p>
<p>I know I laughed, and probably a bit harshly when I read the summit&#8217;s outcome.  I was only lacking the vodka, and someone to drink with&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em>Andy´s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Siberianlight/~3/479546303/" rel="nofollow">What is it with stupid people and Russia?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Da Russophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da Russophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this sentence in particular did it.

&quot;If French President Nicholas Sarkozy had stood outside of the Kremlin just after the summit and put his ear to the door, he would have heard the sound of two vodka glasses being clinked together, and the harsh laughter of Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin, the two men who run Russia.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this sentence in particular did it.</p>
<p>&#8220;If French President Nicholas Sarkozy had stood outside of the Kremlin just after the summit and put his ear to the door, he would have heard the sound of two vodka glasses being clinked together, and the harsh laughter of Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin, the two men who run Russia.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: warriors &#124; Digg hot tags</title>
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		<dc:creator>warriors &#124; Digg hot tags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This article has an flagrantly open Orientalist conception of Russia, projecting it as a wily, malign, Eastern monolith against the free but disunited states of the West - whereas in fact Russia, like all other countries with rational foreign policies, has its own interests&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m baffled by this.  I went out of my way in the article to point out that Russia is certainly acting rationally in its foreign policy dealings with the EU - in fact, I explicitly compare it with the United States, and say that Russia is doing it better!

Having said that, it&#039;s very clear from the past few years that Russian diplomacy has had a sharper edge than American diplomacy (when it comes to the EU), and it is very prepared to use its economic muscle where necessary, and to go so far as to cut off oil and gas where it thinks it will work.  If the EU and its member states don&#039;t recognise that this is a tool that Russia is fully prepared to use in support of its foreign policy, they are fools doomed to failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This article has an flagrantly open Orientalist conception of Russia, projecting it as a wily, malign, Eastern monolith against the free but disunited states of the West &#8211; whereas in fact Russia, like all other countries with rational foreign policies, has its own interests</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m baffled by this.  I went out of my way in the article to point out that Russia is certainly acting rationally in its foreign policy dealings with the EU &#8211; in fact, I explicitly compare it with the United States, and say that Russia is doing it better!</p>
<p>Having said that, it&#8217;s very clear from the past few years that Russian diplomacy has had a sharper edge than American diplomacy (when it comes to the EU), and it is very prepared to use its economic muscle where necessary, and to go so far as to cut off oil and gas where it thinks it will work.  If the EU and its member states don&#8217;t recognise that this is a tool that Russia is fully prepared to use in support of its foreign policy, they are fools doomed to failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Eastern and Central European Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eastern and Central European Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope not.

You&#039;re one of the better bloggers on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope not.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re one of the better bloggers on the subject.</p>
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