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	<title>Comments on: Book Review: The New Cold War by Mark MacKinnon</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: No Pundit Intended</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Pundit Intended</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: american revolutionary war</title>
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		<dc:creator>american revolutionary war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/book-review-the-new-cold-war-by-mark-mackinnon/comment-page-1/#comment-5217</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among Serbs, there&#039;s the view that Milosevic&#039;s time was running out regardless of Otpor&#039;s
activity.  Without doubt, the post-Milosevic era saw Otpor&#039;s role in Serbia significantly diminished.  As per the stated views of others besides Wiki, Otpor was essentially an anti-Milosevic org. seeking his ouster without concrete plans of its own for the future.  The Marko Markovic&#039;s within Otpor (not all of its members should be lumped together) preferred serving the interests of Soros over politically mainstream Serb views.

Official Serbia does have a plan for Kosovo.  Part of it is outlined in UN Security Resolution 1244.  Unfortunately for the Serb advocacy, there&#039;s strong opposition to it.  The official position of leading Western countries seeks to override 1244 with a formal granting of Kosovo independence.

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&quot;Those who wanted, they simply joined the existing parties and are now high state functioners.&quot;

As per the above quoted, please provide some examples with a background of their current political affiliations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among Serbs, there&#8217;s the view that Milosevic&#8217;s time was running out regardless of Otpor&#8217;s<br />
activity.  Without doubt, the post-Milosevic era saw Otpor&#8217;s role in Serbia significantly diminished.  As per the stated views of others besides Wiki, Otpor was essentially an anti-Milosevic org. seeking his ouster without concrete plans of its own for the future.  The Marko Markovic&#8217;s within Otpor (not all of its members should be lumped together) preferred serving the interests of Soros over politically mainstream Serb views.</p>
<p>Official Serbia does have a plan for Kosovo.  Part of it is outlined in UN Security Resolution 1244.  Unfortunately for the Serb advocacy, there&#8217;s strong opposition to it.  The official position of leading Western countries seeks to override 1244 with a formal granting of Kosovo independence.</p>
<p>****</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who wanted, they simply joined the existing parties and are now high state functioners.&#8221;</p>
<p>As per the above quoted, please provide some examples with a background of their current political affiliations.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinisa Lalic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinisa Lalic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a matter a fact, the Wiki comment is quite true. Not only about Otpor, I would dare to say, but this phrase can be given as a general political attitude for Serbs.

In Serbia, politics was and is full of opposing to this and that, while finding a strong supportive goal is rather a difficult task.

For instance, Serbs are against independence of Kosovo, and you will hear thousands of reasons why. However, Serbs are not acctually supporting Kosovo&#039;s integration back under Serbia. They will not be able to give too many reasons why.

This is rather a mentality, I would say, than a true political stance.

You should not question importance of Otpor, as believe me, if there was no Otpor, I would not be typing this now. Or I would, but from another country. Otpor managed to fulfill the ultimate goal in Serbia - to be a uniting point for the opposition. They forced the opposition to unite, through an open threat tactics. This worked out fine for Serbia.

After it was all over, a group of Otpor leadership wanted to switch Otpor into a political party. The majority was against it, as sooner or later Otpor would become just another party to co-exist on the political scene.

The main reason why it was never registered as the political party was because we who were there all those days wanted to keep it in the bright history page. Forever. Fortunately these voices prevailed. Those who wanted, they simply joined the existing parties and are now high state functioners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter a fact, the Wiki comment is quite true. Not only about Otpor, I would dare to say, but this phrase can be given as a general political attitude for Serbs.</p>
<p>In Serbia, politics was and is full of opposing to this and that, while finding a strong supportive goal is rather a difficult task.</p>
<p>For instance, Serbs are against independence of Kosovo, and you will hear thousands of reasons why. However, Serbs are not acctually supporting Kosovo&#8217;s integration back under Serbia. They will not be able to give too many reasons why.</p>
<p>This is rather a mentality, I would say, than a true political stance.</p>
<p>You should not question importance of Otpor, as believe me, if there was no Otpor, I would not be typing this now. Or I would, but from another country. Otpor managed to fulfill the ultimate goal in Serbia &#8211; to be a uniting point for the opposition. They forced the opposition to unite, through an open threat tactics. This worked out fine for Serbia.</p>
<p>After it was all over, a group of Otpor leadership wanted to switch Otpor into a political party. The majority was against it, as sooner or later Otpor would become just another party to co-exist on the political scene.</p>
<p>The main reason why it was never registered as the political party was because we who were there all those days wanted to keep it in the bright history page. Forever. Fortunately these voices prevailed. Those who wanted, they simply joined the existing parties and are now high state functioners.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes me wonder a bit about just how important they really were at their zenith.

I recall seeing Belarusian demonstrations with the EU flag.  If I&#039;m not mistaken, Saakashvili is frequently seen on TV with that flag in the background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me wonder a bit about just how important they really were at their zenith.</p>
<p>I recall seeing Belarusian demonstrations with the EU flag.  If I&#8217;m not mistaken, Saakashvili is frequently seen on TV with that flag in the background.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently when Otpor leaders were on an official visit to D.C., their hosts were less than impressed with their behavior - i.e. they were far more interested in partying and more importantly, wern&#039;t very politically astute or offer  anything new...

This is one of the things that bothers me with such movements. They&#039;re good on soundbites &#039;Join the EU&#039;, &#039;Join NATO&#039; (whatever), but they don&#039;t really know what this means or what either are, i.e. the nitty gritty and the certain fact that once they&#039;ve done the dirty work, they are much less favorites with special treatment.

The worst aspect is that it is really important that the citizens are properly informed in the Media and by their politicians with substantive information and arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently when Otpor leaders were on an official visit to D.C., their hosts were less than impressed with their behavior &#8211; i.e. they were far more interested in partying and more importantly, wern&#8217;t very politically astute or offer  anything new&#8230;</p>
<p>This is one of the things that bothers me with such movements. They&#8217;re good on soundbites &#8216;Join the EU&#8217;, &#8216;Join NATO&#8217; (whatever), but they don&#8217;t really know what this means or what either are, i.e. the nitty gritty and the certain fact that once they&#8217;ve done the dirty work, they are much less favorites with special treatment.</p>
<p>The worst aspect is that it is really important that the citizens are properly informed in the Media and by their politicians with substantive information and arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
		<link>http://siberianlight.net/book-review-the-new-cold-war-by-mark-mackinnon/comment-page-1/#comment-5213</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that Wiki should always be used:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otpor%21" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otpor%21</a></p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8220;The biggest reason for Otpor&#8217;s lack of success in the post-Miloševi? years was their failure to formulate a coherent political program. Acting against Miloševi? earned them wide praise, but when the time came to channel all that popular support into a clear ideological position &#8211; a definite disconnect occurred. In short, it was always clear what Otpor was against, but it was not clear what this movement represented now that the former regime was gone.&#8221;</p>
<p>****</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded a bit of the last scene of the American movie &#8220;The Candidate&#8221; starring Robert Redford.  Upon winning the presidency, the character played by Redford is clueless on what to do in the role of president.</p>
<p>The above Wiki entry notes the turn coating of sorts of some Otpor members from youthful innocents to hired politicos for foreign interests.</p>
<p>The above Wiki entry gives Otpor great credit for Milosevic&#8217;s demise.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinisa Lalic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinisa Lalic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for quick response on my comment. I will certainly read your book, and will not comment anything else until I finish my reading. That initial comment of mine was just something that appeared as yet another important detail missed.

Otpor&#039;s inital and ultimate goal was to cause a confusion by not pointing out any individual as a leader. Therefore Otpor never had an official leader indeed. This is why it is difficult to find more data on these persons.

However, even Otpor&#039;s web site is no longer active, I would suggest the following resource for very accurate and detailed info on Otpor and its activities (check &quot;Serbian Case&quot; for details).

http://www.canvasopedia.org

As for spelling of Zoran Djindjic last name, you have chosen a correct spelling. The original surname, in Cyrillic has six characters, but correct Latin spelling includes &quot;dj&quot; characters. A relevant and accurate spelling are available at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djindjic

However, if you are looking for an official proof, it is available at Serbian Government web site as well:  http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/specijal.php?id=2153

Once again, thank you for a brief answers and comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for quick response on my comment. I will certainly read your book, and will not comment anything else until I finish my reading. That initial comment of mine was just something that appeared as yet another important detail missed.</p>
<p>Otpor&#8217;s inital and ultimate goal was to cause a confusion by not pointing out any individual as a leader. Therefore Otpor never had an official leader indeed. This is why it is difficult to find more data on these persons.</p>
<p>However, even Otpor&#8217;s web site is no longer active, I would suggest the following resource for very accurate and detailed info on Otpor and its activities (check &#8220;Serbian Case&#8221; for details).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canvasopedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.canvasopedia.org</a></p>
<p>As for spelling of Zoran Djindjic last name, you have chosen a correct spelling. The original surname, in Cyrillic has six characters, but correct Latin spelling includes &#8220;dj&#8221; characters. A relevant and accurate spelling are available at: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djindjic" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djindjic</a></p>
<p>However, if you are looking for an official proof, it is available at Serbian Government web site as well:  <a href="http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/specijal.php?id=2153" rel="nofollow">http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/specijal.php?id=2153</a></p>
<p>Once again, thank you for a brief answers and comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Averko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Averko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is that Markovic and Marovic have never come close to matching the popularity of Kostunica.  In Serbia, Otpor is a thing of the past unlike Kostunica and those sharing his views.

The Soros/neocon domino like theory seems to have played out.  Recall the last Moldovan presidential election, shortly after the last Ukrainian one.  Dick Morris and others backed an Orange like Moldovan party as pro-Ukrainian Orange celebrity Ruslana supported the winning Moldovan Communist Party candidate.

Otpor was at its best when involved with anti-Milosevic demonstrations and getting Western mass media attention.  The latter no doubt related to its ties to Soros.  In the present, the Soros preferred Serb views of Natasa Kandic and Dragana Solomon seem to get a disproportionate share of coverage in English language mass media.

Otpor reminds me of the criticism levied against Politkovksaya and Kasparov.  All three express broad views against tyranny.  What they substantively offer as an alternative appears less clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is that Markovic and Marovic have never come close to matching the popularity of Kostunica.  In Serbia, Otpor is a thing of the past unlike Kostunica and those sharing his views.</p>
<p>The Soros/neocon domino like theory seems to have played out.  Recall the last Moldovan presidential election, shortly after the last Ukrainian one.  Dick Morris and others backed an Orange like Moldovan party as pro-Ukrainian Orange celebrity Ruslana supported the winning Moldovan Communist Party candidate.</p>
<p>Otpor was at its best when involved with anti-Milosevic demonstrations and getting Western mass media attention.  The latter no doubt related to its ties to Soros.  In the present, the Soros preferred Serb views of Natasa Kandic and Dragana Solomon seem to get a disproportionate share of coverage in English language mass media.</p>
<p>Otpor reminds me of the criticism levied against Politkovksaya and Kasparov.  All three express broad views against tyranny.  What they substantively offer as an alternative appears less clear.</p>
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